On Dec 11, 2007 3:21 PM, Alan DuBoff <alan.duboff at sun.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > Because you haven't yet said that the libraries would be named any
> > differently.
>
> A little research would help in this case, to see what the actual
> libraries are named.
>
> Installing a different library under the same name would be pure insanity.

Exactly; but it seems the world is full of insanity. I was wanting to
be certain that a version of Qt4 that was built against stdcxx would
be named differently to prevent conflicts with "standard versions"
that were not.

> > Every point I have is simply discarded with the argument that you know
> > better, things will happen differently, and that I'm wrong without any
> > reasonable explanation.
>
> I believe there are better things to do than argue over something that you
> really don't seem to have looked into at all.

I think there are better things to do than make false claims.

Two people can "look into" something and come to different conclusions.

I *have* looked into the issue and obviously my conclusion is
different than yours.

Perhaps it's because I've been using GNU/Linux systems since 1996 (at
least) so I'm well aware of where a lot of open source software gets
delivered by default.

> > Please show me a study proving this.
>
> ????

That software not being in /usr is the biggest problem Solaris has.

> > Many still default to /usr/local.
>
> Really, like which ones other than Sunfreeware that you don't need to
> change the target location when you build?

Like many of the dependencies that KDE depends on; I know I've been
building them!

> > As long as the name is different, fine. But I still think your
> > attitude of "screw everyone I know better" stinks.
>
> I've not said I know better than everyone else in this case, but you're
> bringing issues up that have been batted around in the Solaris community
> before you booted it. The fact is that software is now moving to /usr
> (i.e., /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/etc, /usr/lib, etc...) and you're
> proposing to hold it back and keep things out of /usr. This is the exact
> mess (Open)Solaris has been plagued with for years. This is system
> software afterall, it belongs in /usr.

No, the fact is that *Sun* is moving software *they distribute* to
/usr from various directories.

No mention in *any* ARC case or proposed documentation update that
I've seen indicates that the recommended guidelines are changing for
3rd party software delivery.

-- 
Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst
http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/

"To err is human -- and to blame it on a computer is even more so." -
Robert Orben

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