This is fine but we still have some work to do before we branch and tag rc1. I think we might (fingers crossed) be able to pull that off by FOSDEM but it will be close. I still have to get my presentation done for FOSDEM.
On 01/07/2018 04:37 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > I am just talking about tagging, not doing any realease announcement. > Getting an early tag will make it easer for packagers to prepare. > > 2018-01-07 22:17 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>: > > Nick, > > I think you possibly misunderstood me or perhaps I didn't explain it > very well. I would have liked to have the stable 5 release ready for > FOSDEM but realistically I would be happy if we were ready to create the > v5 branch and tag rc1 by FOSDEM. That's a far more realistic goal. I > don't want to rush v5 out. I still need to fix a few things with the > remapping and the new symbol library editor has a least one crash bug > that needs to be fixed before I would be comfortable with branching v5. > I just don't see any possibility of getting v5 released by FOSDEM even > if I didn't sleep until then. :) I want to give everyone at least a > month to get the libraries, docs, translations, and packages ready from > the time the source tree is tagged as stable. If we got the stable 5 > release out by the end of March, I would be pretty happy. > > Cheers, > > Wayne > > On 01/07/2018 04:06 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I will attempt to summarize the status as I see it. > > > > Lots of fixes have been comming in over the last few weeks. But if we > > are to keep up with Wayne's goal of having a v5 release for FOSDEM, I > > think we tag 5.0.0-rc1 soon. There is no reason we can still fix stuff > > untill we make the final 5.0.0 release, and create the 5.0 branch from > > there. Then we can unfreeze the feature freeze on master, and git > > describe matster will be relative to this point. I have attached an > > example and caricature of the previous kicad branching and how I see > > expect the future too look like. > > > > We shall accept that it will probably only be a release candidate for > > FOSDEM, but that would be great too! > > > > If there are some things that simply need to be in 5.0.0 -- I think we > > need a shoutout now. Looking at > > https://launchpad.net/kicad/+milestone/5.0.0-rc1 > <https://launchpad.net/kicad/+milestone/5.0.0-rc1> > > <https://launchpad.net/kicad/+milestone/5.0.0-rc1 > <https://launchpad.net/kicad/+milestone/5.0.0-rc1>> there are only two > > outstanding bugs. > > > > The library team seem to be ready to tag also, > > https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-symbols/issues/133 > <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-symbols/issues/133> > > <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-symbols/issues/133 > <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-symbols/issues/133>> > > > > I guess the doc will not have much time to get much love before the > > release. But this is mostly about new features not being > documented and > > probably some cleanup and modernization. I guess we are more likely to > > get some feedback on the docs after the first v5 release. > > > > The translations will need a bit of touchup on some languages, the > ones > > almost done but needs a bit is en, ru, de, and es. These can probably > > reach 100% before v5 if we are lucky. This sort of requires we have a > > kicad tag to update against. I think some of those languages also keep > > unused strings, so even if it is not at 100% it might be complete. > But I > > am not sure about this. > > > > Regards > > Nick Østergaard > > > > > > > > 2018-01-02 21:07 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>: > > > > I plan on adding the remapping feature to the Eeschema > documentation > > before the stable 5 release. Hopefully I can find the time to > knock it > > out it the next week or two to give our translators plenty of > time. > > > > On 1/2/2018 2:59 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > > > Of course. My confusion mostly surrounds how it interacts > with rescue > > > and when it does and does not decide to write things to disk > (see > > José's > > > point about it clobbering its own backups). > > > > > > In any case, I don't need you to explain it to me. You and I > > aren't the > > > only KiCad users, and if people who've been using KiCad for > years and > > > have actual dev experience (specifically myself and José > here) can't > > > figure it out, scads of users are going to have the same > problem. It > > > needs to be made clearer, not explained on the mailing list. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:55:31PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > > >> Let's start at the beginning. Are you clear on why symbols > need > > to be > > >> remapped? > > >> > > >> On 1/2/2018 2:52 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > > >>> Honestly, with this symbol library stuff it's been hard for me > > to figure > > >>> out what's a bug and what's a confusing design decision. Bug > > reports for > > >>> the latter are rather frowned upon so I've been refraining > from > > filing > > >>> many bugs. > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:51:14PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh > wrote: > > >>>> I just tested this repo and it failed to remap every > symbol so > > either > > >>>> something has been broken or this project is a corner > case that I > > >>>> haven't stumbled across yet. I will keep informed of my > > progress. In > > >>>> the future, please file bug report when you see something > like > > this. If > > >>>> you just discuss it on irc, I have no way of knowing this > is an > > issue > > >>>> unless I manage to free up some time (unlikely any time soon) > > to spend > > >>>> on irc. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 1/2/2018 2:42 PM, José Ignacio wrote: > > >>>>> This sequence of actions is what puts the project on a > stuffed > > up state: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> * Open schematic and be greeted with some symbols that need > > rescue, > > >>>>> rescue a couple symbols > > >>>>> * Be greeted by the remap dialog (1) > > >>>>> * Regret remapping and quit without save > > >>>>> * Open schematic again > > >>>>> * Be greeted by the rescue dialog, with ALL symbols, refuse > > >>>>> * Remap dialog fails to find anything, click through (2) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Schematic looks fine, but the remap and rescue dialogs will > > show up > > >>>>> every time even though there is a valid sym-lib-table. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> (1) At this point the pro file is overwritten, deleting all > > project > > >>>>> library entries > > >>>>> (2) At this point the pro file is overwritten again!, > > clobbering the > > >>>>> backup (SOL) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you accept the second rescue you will have to map > everything > > >>>>> manually. The remapper should really take the existing > > sym-lib-table or > > >>>>> just not clobber the pro file until the schematic is saved. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The close without save step should be perfectly valid if > > you're just > > >>>>> peeking at an old project and (possibly much later) you > want to go > > >>>>> modify it you're greeted with that bad surprise. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Chris Pavlina > > <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> > > >>>>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:20:10PM -0500, Wayne > Stambaugh > > wrote: > > >>>>> > It's exactly as insane as the cache has always been. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I respectfully disagree. As I recall from many years of > > using KiCad > > >>>>> before this, nothing about the cache has ever > > spontaneously deleted all > > >>>>> libraries without warning. That's a whole new level of > > insanity that > > >>>>> deserves its own "what not to do" section in a UX book > > somewhere. (And > > >>>>> before you think this is all just "this UX guide sez" > > vague complaining, > > >>>>> don't forget that I and many others still have _no idea > > wtf we're doing_ > > >>>>> trying to drive this thing.) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > The only way I can > > >>>>> > think of this happening is that the schematic was not > > saved after the > > >>>>> > remapping and once all of the libraries are > removed from > > the project > > >>>>> > file but cache should still be valid if no save was > > performed. Let me > > >>>>> > try remapping this project and I will get back to you. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > On 1/2/2018 2:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > > >>>>> > > Ah, that explains my question mark case. That's > insane. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0600, José > Ignacio > > wrote: > > >>>>> > >> One big problem is that even if everything > fails, the > > project > > >>>>> will show up > > >>>>> > >> fine with all symbols, but they wont have the remap > > done. at > > >>>>> the same time > > >>>>> > >> the remapper deletes all library entries from the > > project file, > > >>>>> which > > >>>>> > >> causes it to open with question marks only if you > > reopen it > > >>>>> again after > > >>>>> > >> saving. It should show the question marks > before then > > or make > > >>>>> better use of > > >>>>> > >> the cache. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pavlina > > >>>>> <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>>>> > > >>>>> > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >>> Keep in mind my problem is not necessarily that > > things are > > >>>>> _broken_ but > > >>>>> > >>> perhaps that they are so opaque that they only > make > > sense in > > >>>>> the mind of > > >>>>> > >>> the designer. As I said in the previous message, > > we've been > > >>>>> getting TONS > > >>>>> > >>> of people on IRC who can't figure out how the hell > > to drive > > >>>>> this thing, > > >>>>> > >>> and I count myself among them. Still takes me like > > three tries > > >>>>> to load > > >>>>> > >>> an old project without it stuffing everything up. > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:40:40PM -0500, Wayne > > Stambaugh wrote: > > >>>>> > >>>> Please send me a sample project if possible. I > > have tested > > >>>>> this every > > >>>>> > >>>> which way I can think of and it works fine for > > everything I > > >>>>> throw at it. > > >>>>> > >>>> The only time things fall apart are when the > cache is > > >>>>> corrupted or > > >>>>> > >>>> missing and/or rescues have be ignored. In those > > cases there > > >>>>> is nothing > > >>>>> > >>>> I can do because the proper symbols do not exist > > anywhere so > > >>>>> remapping > > >>>>> > >>>> is not possible. > > >>>>> > >>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> On 1/2/2018 1:33 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > > >>>>> > >>>>> Are we really going to do an RC now without any > > more work to > > >>>>> the remap > > >>>>> > >>>>> stuff? I just had it ruin another project last > > night. It > > >>>>> behaves very > > >>>>> > >>>>> poorly when things also have to be rescued or > > libraries are > > >>>>> missing, it > > >>>>> > >>>>> seems. > > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:10:20AM -0500, Wayne > > Stambaugh wrote: > > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/2/2018 8:58 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On 28/12/17 20:24, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are a few outstanding crash bugs that > > need to be > > >>>>> fixed before > > >>>>> > >>> we > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> can consider branching the stable 5 release. > > Here is the > > >>>>> list of > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> unresolved crash bugs that effect the > > development branch: > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788>> > > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274>> > > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872>> > > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999>> > > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614>> > > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253>> > > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey Wayne, > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> I fixed the remaining 2 bugs yesterday > (the STEP > > import > > >>>>> one is a bug > > >>>>> > >>> in > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> OCE). Please proceed with the 5.0-rc. > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom > > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Tom, > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks!. I wont have time to get to this > until the > > >>>>> weekend. 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