I plan on adding the remapping feature to the Eeschema documentation before the stable 5 release. Hopefully I can find the time to knock it out it the next week or two to give our translators plenty of time.
On 1/2/2018 2:59 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > Of course. My confusion mostly surrounds how it interacts with rescue > and when it does and does not decide to write things to disk (see José's > point about it clobbering its own backups). > > In any case, I don't need you to explain it to me. You and I aren't the > only KiCad users, and if people who've been using KiCad for years and > have actual dev experience (specifically myself and José here) can't > figure it out, scads of users are going to have the same problem. It > needs to be made clearer, not explained on the mailing list. > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:55:31PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> Let's start at the beginning. Are you clear on why symbols need to be >> remapped? >> >> On 1/2/2018 2:52 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>> Honestly, with this symbol library stuff it's been hard for me to figure >>> out what's a bug and what's a confusing design decision. Bug reports for >>> the latter are rather frowned upon so I've been refraining from filing >>> many bugs. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:51:14PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>> I just tested this repo and it failed to remap every symbol so either >>>> something has been broken or this project is a corner case that I >>>> haven't stumbled across yet. I will keep informed of my progress. In >>>> the future, please file bug report when you see something like this. If >>>> you just discuss it on irc, I have no way of knowing this is an issue >>>> unless I manage to free up some time (unlikely any time soon) to spend >>>> on irc. >>>> >>>> On 1/2/2018 2:42 PM, José Ignacio wrote: >>>>> This sequence of actions is what puts the project on a stuffed up state: >>>>> >>>>> * Open schematic and be greeted with some symbols that need rescue, >>>>> rescue a couple symbols >>>>> * Be greeted by the remap dialog (1) >>>>> * Regret remapping and quit without save >>>>> * Open schematic again >>>>> * Be greeted by the rescue dialog, with ALL symbols, refuse >>>>> * Remap dialog fails to find anything, click through (2) >>>>> >>>>> Schematic looks fine, but the remap and rescue dialogs will show up >>>>> every time even though there is a valid sym-lib-table. >>>>> >>>>> (1) At this point the pro file is overwritten, deleting all project >>>>> library entries >>>>> (2) At this point the pro file is overwritten again!, clobbering the >>>>> backup (SOL) >>>>> >>>>> If you accept the second rescue you will have to map everything >>>>> manually. The remapper should really take the existing sym-lib-table or >>>>> just not clobber the pro file until the schematic is saved. >>>>> >>>>> The close without save step should be perfectly valid if you're just >>>>> peeking at an old project and (possibly much later) you want to go >>>>> modify it you're greeted with that bad surprise. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Chris Pavlina <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:20:10PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>>> > It's exactly as insane as the cache has always been. >>>>> >>>>> I respectfully disagree. As I recall from many years of using KiCad >>>>> before this, nothing about the cache has ever spontaneously deleted >>>>> all >>>>> libraries without warning. That's a whole new level of insanity that >>>>> deserves its own "what not to do" section in a UX book somewhere. (And >>>>> before you think this is all just "this UX guide sez" vague >>>>> complaining, >>>>> don't forget that I and many others still have _no idea wtf we're >>>>> doing_ >>>>> trying to drive this thing.) >>>>> >>>>> > The only way I can >>>>> > think of this happening is that the schematic was not saved after >>>>> the >>>>> > remapping and once all of the libraries are removed from the project >>>>> > file but cache should still be valid if no save was performed. Let >>>>> me >>>>> > try remapping this project and I will get back to you. >>>>> > >>>>> > On 1/2/2018 2:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>> > > Ah, that explains my question mark case. That's insane. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0600, José Ignacio wrote: >>>>> > >> One big problem is that even if everything fails, the project >>>>> will show up >>>>> > >> fine with all symbols, but they wont have the remap done. at >>>>> the same time >>>>> > >> the remapper deletes all library entries from the project file, >>>>> which >>>>> > >> causes it to open with question marks only if you reopen it >>>>> again after >>>>> > >> saving. It should show the question marks before then or make >>>>> better use of >>>>> > >> the cache. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pavlina >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> Keep in mind my problem is not necessarily that things are >>>>> _broken_ but >>>>> > >>> perhaps that they are so opaque that they only make sense in >>>>> the mind of >>>>> > >>> the designer. As I said in the previous message, we've been >>>>> getting TONS >>>>> > >>> of people on IRC who can't figure out how the hell to drive >>>>> this thing, >>>>> > >>> and I count myself among them. Still takes me like three tries >>>>> to load >>>>> > >>> an old project without it stuffing everything up. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:40:40PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>>> > >>>> Please send me a sample project if possible. I have tested >>>>> this every >>>>> > >>>> which way I can think of and it works fine for everything I >>>>> throw at it. >>>>> > >>>> The only time things fall apart are when the cache is >>>>> corrupted or >>>>> > >>>> missing and/or rescues have be ignored. In those cases there >>>>> is nothing >>>>> > >>>> I can do because the proper symbols do not exist anywhere so >>>>> remapping >>>>> > >>>> is not possible. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> On 1/2/2018 1:33 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> Are we really going to do an RC now without any more work to >>>>> the remap >>>>> > >>>>> stuff? I just had it ruin another project last night. It >>>>> behaves very >>>>> > >>>>> poorly when things also have to be rescued or libraries are >>>>> missing, it >>>>> > >>>>> seems. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:10:20AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/2/2018 8:58 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: >>>>> > >>>>>>> On 28/12/17 20:24, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are a few outstanding crash bugs that need to be >>>>> fixed before >>>>> > >>> we >>>>> > >>>>>>>> can consider branching the stable 5 release. Here is the >>>>> list of >>>>> > >>>>>>>> unresolved crash bugs that effect the development branch: >>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey Wayne, >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I fixed the remaining 2 bugs yesterday (the STEP import >>>>> one is a bug >>>>> > >>> in >>>>> > >>>>>>> OCE). Please proceed with the 5.0-rc. >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks!. I wont have time to get to this until the >>>>> weekend. If there >>>>> > >>>>>> are no additional critical severity bug reports by then, I >>>>> will create >>>>> > >>>>>> the version 5 branch. >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Wayne >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > >>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
