Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:48:13 -0800 

Practially I would read this as:

Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes.
Revert the camera icon to the "a" character, cleanup if wanted but dont change concept fundamentally. 


Otherwise I went throught the old icons in my current build and checked 
them against the latest email. They are pretty similar, but much more 
polished and coherent, so I think that qualifies as being inside scope.



I like the gerber icon change, but that one, dont know if it is outside 
scope or not.


Wayne did i interpret correctly?

 -Kristoffer

On 01/10/2018 03:58 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
appropriate time but not for v5.

On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

Splendid!

Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
import arrow would be perfect.

FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.

Cheers,
Jeff



On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
<oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
<mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.


I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)

  


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
<kristofferodmar...@gmail.com <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

     Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
     basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
     related to a webcam.

     The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.

     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.

     Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)



      -Kristoffer


     On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:

         Wayne,

         Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
         replacing with
         standard load / save icons.

         I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.

         Screenshots here:

         https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ

         This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
         know if there
         are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
         patch.

         Thanks,
         Oliver

         On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
         oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
         <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

             Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
             Gerber icons and
             otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
             replacements for the
             arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.

             On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
             <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>
             wrote:

                 One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
                 (other than the
                 complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
                 them just about any
                 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
                 can be updated to
                 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
                 better alternatives to
                 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
                 pushing it off
                 until v6.

                 Cheers,

                 Wayne

                 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

                     I think the changes are absolutely good in
                     general, and I’d very much
                     like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
                     control over that. ;)

                     As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
                     them go away.  The
                     colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
                     themselves. ANY of the
                     alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows)
                     would be better.

                     Cheers,
                     Jeff.


                         On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
                         <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>
                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

                         The coloured arrows were already in place, all
                         I have done is made
                         them all the same "style". In fact, previously
                         concepts like "save"
                         and "load" were conveyed both with a downward
                         pointing arrow, and the
                         arrow colour was the only point of difference.

                         I thought I had made an improvement on what
                         was already existing. My
                         intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping
                         redesign.

                         If this is now an additional requirement I can
                         make these not arrows,
                         but I'd like some direction on what to do
                         instead. It will be hard to
                         fit a more detailed icon.

                         Other than this, what are your thoughts
                         overall? Is it worth my time
                         pursuing this further? Are these changes good
                         in general and can you
                         see them being merged?

                         On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
                         <stambau...@gmail.com
                         <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>
                         <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com
                         <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

                              On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
                              > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
                              >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we
                         are going to use them,
                              please don't
                              >> make the all different colors.  I
                         don't see how a blue left
                              arrow versus
                              >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
                         meaning to the user.
                              >>
                              >
                              > I like the idea of coloring them
                         differently. For me this will
                              give an
                              > additional way to distinguish the
                         buttons. (Some of them have
                              only the
                              > direction of the arrow as a difference.
                         Which is easily
                              overlooked.) I
                              > hope having different colors will make
                         it easier for my brain to
                              > remember which button does what. (I
                         can't tell you how often i
                              clicked
                              > load symbol instead of update symbol
                         while working on the
                              reorganization
                              > of the official lib.)

                              What information does the different color
                         arrow convey?  If you are
                              using different colors for contrast, that
                         is one thing but just

                 making

                              them different colors for informational
                         purposes doesn't make any
                              sense
                              to me.  If you are trying convey
                         information with different color
                              buttons, what is the impact on users who
                         are color blind.

                              >
                              > Maybe there is a better way to
                         communicate differences but if
                              buttons
                              > look as similar as a lot of them
                         currently do, adding
                              differentiating
                              > colors might help.
                              >
                              >
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