I tried deleting the path from the module, no change to the results. I in installed Kicad and reinstalled, out works in all cases - I give up, I really should stick to Linux. I apologize for wasting everyone's time I something that we an obvious gift of Windows.
Thanks and sorry Mike On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:51 PM Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> wrote: > If I open the board with pcbnew as a separate task, the hole is there; if > I open the board from the kicad project, the hole is not. > > Could it be the path back to the schematic is corrupt and therefore > opening the board as part of the project doesn't show the hole? > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> > wrote: > >> I edited the pcb file with a text editor, moving the module around to >> other locations in the file did not fix the problem, moving the pad to >> other places on the board also did nothing. >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I have not had any similar problems on other boards. It used to be >>> visible when the hole was in the upper right corner. I moved it out of the >>> way when I made the big cut in that corner and forgot about it (and I guess >>> it disappeared so you can understand the forgetting.) >>> >>> I had serious trouble closing the board outline, I could not get lines >>> to where the arcs ended. We ended up drawing the board outline in OnShape >>> and importing a dxf if you think that matters. >>> >>> I can try editing the pcb file in a text editor a little later today and >>> post the results. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2018 6:44 AM, "Jeff Young" <j...@rokeby.ie> wrote: >>> >>> Do you see this bug on any other boards? If you edit the board in a >>> text editor to move the mounting hole, is it still invisible? >>> >>> I can’t figure out why we can’t reproduce this…. >>> >>> >>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:40, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> wrote: >>> >>> I never tried to change setting on the routers, still, no better with >>> this bug regardless. >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2018 6:23 AM, "Jeff Young" <j...@rokeby.ie> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> Odd. >>> >>> FWIW, if you set the interactive router to “Highlight Collisions” mode >>> it will put you in the driver’s seat. (I think it then acts more like >>> Default, although it’s been so long since I’ve used Default I can’t >>> remember exactly.) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jeff. >>> >>> >>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:14, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> wrote: >>> >>> Not a help, >>> <image.png> >>> >>> And I'd do more outside of default view if backspace and delete worked >>> on traces the same or maybe if the interactive router wasn't so wonky when >>> I'm trying to be precise about where I want traces (you pitched it so I'm >>> providing the feedback.) >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> You appear to be in Legacy graphics mode (probably still called >>>> “Default” in 4.0.7). Have you tried OpenGL or Cairo graphics mode? (Note >>>> that the modes also change the toolsets, and are a big step up over the >>>> default/legacy toolset.) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Jeff. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:45, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I did try that, but given the oddness of the behavior, I did not resave >>>> the board in case someone wanted to check it out and saving would somehow >>>> mess things up. Here is the screen shot with all layers and everything >>>> enable, still empty at the bottom. >>>> >>>> >>>> <image.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:14 AM, jp charras <jp.char...@wanadoo.fr> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Le 17/04/2018 à 03:42, Steven A. Falco a écrit : >>>>> > I tried opening the board under Fedora Linux with Kicad 4.0.7 using >>>>> pcbnew in stand-alone mode, and the hole is visible, as shown in the >>>>> attached screen-shot. >>>>> > >>>>> > Steve >>>>> > >>>>> > On 04/16/2018 09:30 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>> >> I tested on Ubuntu and Windows 10 using 5.0rc2 and don't see the >>>>> problem, so I guess it has been fixed somewhere along the way. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com >>>>> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> OK, here is the boar file, if you need anything else, please >>>>> let me know. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie >>>>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Looks like a different bug (2.9mm drill is smaller than >>>>> 3.2mm pad). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I can’t reproduce it on 5.0rc2 Mac. Not sure if that’s >>>>> because it’s fixed in 5.0, or it only shows up on Windows, or it’s >>>>> something specific to Michael’s setup. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 22:44, Michael McCormack < >>>>> m...@artpoe.com <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I tried the board both under Pcbnew 4.07 last stable and the current >>>>> 5.0rc2 and I do not have any >>>>> problem with these NPTH pads (I can edit the pad and move the >>>>> footprint). >>>>> >>>>> Be aware you have set many layers and NPTH to "no show". >>>>> Perhaps you should set all items and layers to "show" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> This is the module snipped from the board file: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> (module Ori:MountingHole_3.2mm_M3_ISO14580 (layer F.Cu) >>>>> (tedit 59C8FBCE) (tstamp 5AC4E91C) >>>>> >>> (at 138.25 141.050001) >>>>> >>> (descr "Mounting Hole 3.2mm, no annular, M3, ISO14580") >>>>> >>> (tags "mounting hole 3.2mm no annular m3 iso14580") >>>>> >>> (path /583B5C0A) >>>>> >>> (fp_text reference M1 (at 0 -3.75) (layer F.SilkS) hide >>>>> >>> (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15))) >>>>> >>> ) >>>>> >>> (fp_text value "M3_Mounting Hole" (at 0 3.75) (layer >>>>> F.Fab) >>>>> >>> (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15))) >>>>> >>> ) >>>>> >>> (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 2.75 0) (layer Cmts.User) >>>>> (width 0.15)) >>>>> >>> (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 3 0) (layer F.CrtYd) >>>>> (width 0.05)) >>>>> >>> (pad "" np_thru_hole circle (at 0 0) (size 3.2 3.2) >>>>> (drill 2.9) (layers *.Cu *.Mask) >>>>> >>> (clearance 2)) >>>>> >>> ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I am using 4.0.7 under Windows 10, if you decode this is >>>>> the known bug I sincerely apologize for having wasted your time. I did >>>>> not >>>>> see a bug that I thought was the same thing. If not, I will mail it to >>>>> any >>>>> and all of you to look at. I won't obfuscate, I'd be afraid to disturb >>>>> the >>>>> problem. I see no real problem sharing the board with Kicad developers >>>>> but >>>>> can also understand why my employer is not keen to have our boards posted >>>>> on the internet. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Cheers >>>>> >>> Mike >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Jon Evans < >>>>> j...@craftyjon.com <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> That sounds like a bug (if there is invalid data like >>>>> that, we should deal with it in a better way) >>>>> >>> It sounds like it might be easy to make a trivial test >>>>> case to attach to a bug report without using your employer's board as-is >>>>> >>> (maybe by removing everything manually from the >>>>> kicad_pcb file except for the hole in question and the board outline?) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I can't take a look at this right this moment, but I >>>>> could in the next few days if no one else jumps on it first. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -Jon >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Michael McCormack < >>>>> m...@artpoe.com <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> This might not be quite the right place to post >>>>> this, but, I've found something that is a slightly problematic with Kicad >>>>> and board file. I have a PCB that has a NPH hole located off the board, I >>>>> can't see it or select it inside PCBNew, however, it gets a hole in the >>>>> gerbers and I can find it in the kicad_pcb file if I open the file with a >>>>> text editor. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> As it is my employer's board, I can't see them >>>>> being OK with me creating a bug report and posting the board file for just >>>>> anyone to see; but, as I have used Kicad myself probably a decade I'd send >>>>> it to someone to evaluate if it would help the project. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Is anyone interested? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
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