It gets points for one of the stranger ephemera I’ve seen, anyway….
> On 17 Apr 2018, at 23:37, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com> wrote: > > I tried deleting the path from the module, no change to the results. > > I in installed Kicad and reinstalled, out works in all cases - I give up, I > really should stick to Linux. I apologize for wasting everyone's time I > something that we an obvious gift of Windows. > > Thanks and sorry > > Mike > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:51 PM Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com > <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: > If I open the board with pcbnew as a separate task, the hole is there; if I > open the board from the kicad project, the hole is not. > > Could it be the path back to the schematic is corrupt and therefore opening > the board as part of the project doesn't show the hole? > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com > <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: > I edited the pcb file with a text editor, moving the module around to other > locations in the file did not fix the problem, moving the pad to other places > on the board also did nothing. > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com > <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: > I have not had any similar problems on other boards. It used to be visible > when the hole was in the upper right corner. I moved it out of the way when I > made the big cut in that corner and forgot about it (and I guess it > disappeared so you can understand the forgetting.) > > I had serious trouble closing the board outline, I could not get lines to > where the arcs ended. We ended up drawing the board outline in OnShape and > importing a dxf if you think that matters. > > I can try editing the pcb file in a text editor a little later today and post > the results. > > Mike > > On Apr 17, 2018 6:44 AM, "Jeff Young" <j...@rokeby.ie > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote: > Do you see this bug on any other boards? If you edit the board in a text > editor to move the mounting hole, is it still invisible? > > I can’t figure out why we can’t reproduce this…. > > >> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:40, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com >> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: >> >> I never tried to change setting on the routers, still, no better with this >> bug regardless. >> >> On Apr 17, 2018 6:23 AM, "Jeff Young" <j...@rokeby.ie >> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> Odd. >> >> FWIW, if you set the interactive router to “Highlight Collisions” mode it >> will put you in the driver’s seat. (I think it then acts more like Default, >> although it’s been so long since I’ve used Default I can’t remember exactly.) >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff. >> >> >>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:14, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com >>> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Not a help, >>> <image.png> >>> >>> And I'd do more outside of default view if backspace and delete worked on >>> traces the same or maybe if the interactive router wasn't so wonky when I'm >>> trying to be precise about where I want traces (you pitched it so I'm >>> providing the feedback.) >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote: >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> You appear to be in Legacy graphics mode (probably still called “Default” >>> in 4.0.7). Have you tried OpenGL or Cairo graphics mode? (Note that the >>> modes also change the toolsets, and are a big step up over the >>> default/legacy toolset.) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jeff. >>> >>> >>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:45, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com >>>> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I did try that, but given the oddness of the behavior, I did not resave >>>> the board in case someone wanted to check it out and saving would somehow >>>> mess things up. Here is the screen shot with all layers and everything >>>> enable, still empty at the bottom. >>>> >>>> >>>> <image.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:14 AM, jp charras <jp.char...@wanadoo.fr >>>> <mailto:jp.char...@wanadoo.fr>> wrote: >>>> Le 17/04/2018 à 03:42, Steven A. Falco a écrit : >>>> > I tried opening the board under Fedora Linux with Kicad 4.0.7 using >>>> > pcbnew in stand-alone mode, and the hole is visible, as shown in the >>>> > attached screen-shot. >>>> > >>>> > Steve >>>> > >>>> > On 04/16/2018 09:30 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>> >> I tested on Ubuntu and Windows 10 using 5.0rc2 and don't see the >>>> >> problem, so I guess it has been fixed somewhere along the way. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com >>>> >> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com >>>> >> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> OK, here is the boar file, if you need anything else, please let me >>>> >> know. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie >>>> >> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>>> >> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Looks like a different bug (2.9mm drill is smaller than 3.2mm >>>> >> pad). >>>> >> >>>> >> I can’t reproduce it on 5.0rc2 Mac. Not sure if that’s because >>>> >> it’s fixed in 5.0, or it only shows up on Windows, or it’s something >>>> >> specific to Michael’s setup. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 22:44, Michael McCormack <m...@artpoe.com >>>> >>> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com >>>> >>> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I tried the board both under Pcbnew 4.07 last stable and the current >>>> 5.0rc2 and I do not have any >>>> problem with these NPTH pads (I can edit the pad and move the footprint). >>>> >>>> Be aware you have set many layers and NPTH to "no show". >>>> Perhaps you should set all items and layers to "show" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> This is the module snipped from the board file: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (module Ori:MountingHole_3.2mm_M3_ISO14580 (layer F.Cu) >>>> >>> (tedit 59C8FBCE) (tstamp 5AC4E91C) >>>> >>> (at 138.25 141.050001) >>>> >>> (descr "Mounting Hole 3.2mm, no annular, M3, ISO14580") >>>> >>> (tags "mounting hole 3.2mm no annular m3 iso14580") >>>> >>> (path /583B5C0A) >>>> >>> (fp_text reference M1 (at 0 -3.75) (layer F.SilkS) hide >>>> >>> (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15))) >>>> >>> ) >>>> >>> (fp_text value "M3_Mounting Hole" (at 0 3.75) (layer F.Fab) >>>> >>> (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15))) >>>> >>> ) >>>> >>> (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 2.75 0) (layer Cmts.User) >>>> >>> (width 0.15)) >>>> >>> (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 3 0) (layer F.CrtYd) (width >>>> >>> 0.05)) >>>> >>> (pad "" np_thru_hole circle (at 0 0) (size 3.2 3.2) (drill >>>> >>> 2.9) (layers *.Cu *.Mask) >>>> >>> (clearance 2)) >>>> >>> ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I am using 4.0.7 under Windows 10, if you decode this is the >>>> >>> known bug I sincerely apologize for having wasted your time. I did >>>> >>> not see a bug that I thought was the same thing. If not, I will mail >>>> >>> it to any and all of you to look at. I won't obfuscate, I'd be afraid >>>> >>> to disturb the problem. I see no real problem sharing the board with >>>> >>> Kicad developers but can also understand why my employer is not keen >>>> >>> to have our boards posted on the internet. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cheers >>>> >>> Mike >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com >>>> >>> <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com> <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com >>>> >>> <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> That sounds like a bug (if there is invalid data like >>>> >>> that, we should deal with it in a better way) >>>> >>> It sounds like it might be easy to make a trivial test >>>> >>> case to attach to a bug report without using your employer's board >>>> >>> as-is >>>> >>> (maybe by removing everything manually from the kicad_pcb >>>> >>> file except for the hole in question and the board outline?) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I can't take a look at this right this moment, but I could >>>> >>> in the next few days if no one else jumps on it first. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -Jon >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Michael McCormack >>>> >>> <m...@artpoe.com <mailto:m...@artpoe.com> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com >>>> >>> <mailto:m...@artpoe.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> This might not be quite the right place to post this, >>>> >>> but, I've found something that is a slightly problematic with Kicad >>>> >>> and board file. I have a PCB that has a NPH hole located off the >>>> >>> board, I can't see it or select it inside PCBNew, however, it gets a >>>> >>> hole in the gerbers and I can find it in the kicad_pcb file if I open >>>> >>> the file with a text editor. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> As it is my employer's board, I can't see them being >>>> >>> OK with me creating a bug report and posting the board file for just >>>> >>> anyone to see; but, as I have used Kicad myself probably a decade I'd >>>> >>> send it to someone to evaluate if it would help the project. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Is anyone interested? >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >
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