Hi Marcel and Chris,

I think what you are discussing here is basically the definition of 'Passed 
QA'. I think setting this status means, that I am sure that a patch works and 
does not cause any regressions.

I would like QA team members only to set this status, if they are sure. Else 
what we do is pass this task on to our RM, who is only one person and has to 
deal with a lot of more work than any individual member of the QA team. 

So the next question is, what can we do to be sure something works?

- make sure the patch applies
- make sure it passes all the tests
- step through the coding guidelines and review the code
- do functionality testing
- add our sign-off

If the documentation on the bug is not enough, to make it possible to test or 
understand what a patch is supposed to do - we should ask for more information.

Everyone misses something sometimes, but that is why we have different people 
looking at patches. Even with a solid sign-off, there might still be something 
to catch and there is nothing wrong with missing something or with catching it. 
:)

Katrin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:koha-devel-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcel de Rooy
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:42 AM
> To: Chris Cormack; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] [QA] QAing and signing off
> 
> For me it feels more work. If I add a signoff, I must have tested the
> patch more extensively. But if I do not need to add signoff and I can
> rely on a solid signoff already, the QA process will be faster. Note
> that I do not oppose this step, I am just warning that it takes more
> time. I do not favor only adding a signoff line without more testing.
> This would create a "false feeling of security".
> 
> Marcel
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Chris Cormack [mailto:[email protected]]
> Verzonden: maandag 26 november 2012 9:28
> Aan: Marcel de Rooy
> CC: Jared Camins-Esakov; [email protected]
> Onderwerp: Re: [Koha-devel] [QA] QAing and signing off
> 
> On 26 November 2012 21:25, Marcel de Rooy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Testing is more than checking if it applies :)
> 
> Of course it is, but you can hardly QA something if you haven't even
> applied it. My point is, applying a patch then doing your QA then
> signing that patch off ... the only change is adding the sign off.
> 
> All Jared is asking is, that if you mark a patch passed-qa you add a
> sign off to it.
> 
> Chris
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