I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to solve? If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value. —wade On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <francis.devada...@doc.ks.gov> wrote: >Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Koha [mailto:koha-boun...@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of >Stebbings, Wade >Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM >To: Owen Leonard; Koha >Cc: KohaNA; partners >Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your >suggestions for a new name of Koha NA > >Owen, > >Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² >which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due >to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus >on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than >distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For >example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and >driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by >far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is >expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to >do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives >relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most >egregious outlier. > >Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to >solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much. > >If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or >chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. >It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too >premature. > >‹wade > >On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of >Owen Leonard" <partners-boun...@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of >oleon...@myacpl.org> wrote: > >>I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this >>process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper >>instead of climbing out. >> >>> all face-to-face meetings will be >>> held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a >>> better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is >>> prohibited). >> >>The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group >>which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition >>is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the >>group. >> >>This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be >>exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S. >>members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, >>and libraries don't like to spend money. >> >>I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North >>America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are >>outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded. >>Take a look at the maps: >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas >> >>Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the >>first place. >> >> -- Owen >> >>-- >>Web Developer >>Athens County Public Libraries >>http://www.myacpl.org >>_______________________________________________ >>Partners mailing list >>partn...@lists.bywatersolutions.com >>http://lists.bywatersolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/partners > >_______________________________________________ >Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz >https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha