Colin,

What type of wheel breaks do you have?

Joe Nunley
On Nov 30, 2014 8:35 PM, "Mark Langford via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
wrote:

> Colin Hales wrote:
>
>  I haven't got flaps or a speed brake. You don't need
>> them. People keep saying that "They float!" How? Its got tiny wings!
>> The problem mostly seems to be that people need a high throttle
>> position to keep their poorly idling engines going on the ground at
>> say, 700 rpm. This unfortunately turns into about 1,400 rpm in the
>> air. No wonder it floats, thats still about 1/4 throttle. If you
>> remove the idle stop for your engine all together, if you close the
>> throttle completely, it now acts like a exhaust brake. The engine
>> will never stop in the air, it just windmills at 500 rpm causing
>> massive drag and the aircraft stops and falls out the sky. When you
>> land and the idle gets lower as they airspeed decreases, just crack a
>> little throttle back on.
>>
>
> I have several problems with the above paragraph.  One is that even if
> your engine is switched off and the prop stopped (I've never seen mine
> windmill, either the Corvair or the VW), a drag brake is useful.  If
> nothing else, the brake acts as another control system to provide more
> flexibility in landing, whether "deadstick" or normal.  It's another tool
> in the box, just like slipping.  Another benefit is added drag behind the
> CG, which helps to stabilize the airplane while landing. Nothing like a
> drag chute, but a small step in the right direction.
>
> As for "poor idling at 700 rpm", most aircraft makers, and indeed auto
> makers, probably wish they could make their engines idle reliably and
> smoothly at 700 rpm under all temperature conditions.  Most everything I've
> driven is stabilized from the factory at something like 950 rpm. The best I
> can do with N891JF's engine is idling at about 800 RPM, and the Corvair is
> similar.  This puts me at about 1050 to 1100 RPM on short final.
>
> I've never seen a carburetor that would run 700 rpm while open at 25%
> throttle.  Most carburetors (or what passes for a carburetor in the case of
> the POSA) either have a dedicated idle circuit and require no throttle
> opening at all, or have a slight opening that might be 5%, rather than 25%
> open, when running at idle.  25% throttle might be 1800 rpm, but not 700
> rpm, at least not on a "normal" engine.
>
> You have far bigger gonads than I do if you fly with no throttle stop and
> routinely let the engine almost die on every landing. Fiddling with the
> throttle to keep it running on rollout seems another distraction that I
> don't need.  I pull the throttle back to idle when I'm abeam the numbers
> and leave it there unless I need power to make the runway (which is
> rare...although I may slip it to kill extra altitude).  I guess I can't
> argue with your success, but it's contrary to everything I know about how
> to drive cars or fly airplanes.   It's one less thing to fool around with
> while landing.  That cure seems worse than the disease.
>
> I guess I can't say I've tried it, but I have tried belly boards (both
> before and after), and I do highly recommend them...
>
> --
> Mark Langford
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> http://www.n56ml.com
>
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