Hi Mihkel, For Kazakh latin script/layout - no official version yet, haven't heard of any progress in that area, only drafts/suggestions were announced.
For now it is safe to consider only current Kazakh layout which is based on Cyrillic script, We have a comma mapped to the main keyboard's `6` key which gives `;` when pressed with Shift (and period on `7` key, with Shift gives `:`). Thanks for your initiative! On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM Mihkel Tõnnov <mihh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm preparing a patch to add the same shortcut exceptions [1] for more > languages where a dedicated semicolon key most likely isn't available on > the keyboard - meaning that more languages would then also need to update > the translation of the string mentioned in previous mail. While some > locales appear rather clear-cut cases, there are others where I have > unanswered questions. > [1] Ctrl+comma and Shift+Ctrl+comma instead of Ctrl+semicolon and > Shift+Ctrl+semicolon - for Mac, substitute Command for Ctrl. > > I have CC'd people from relevant language teams (as far as they are listed > on our Language Teams wiki page) in case they are somehow not members of > this list (sorry if anyone is annoyed by getting this email twice). Replies > should only be sent to the list, though, not to everyone in CC. > > Do tell if you have objections to adding this change for your language, for > example because everyone in your locale actually uses a US keyboard (or > another layout that has a dedicated semicolon key). I tried to do a bit > more research this time, but Wikipedia, Google, Microsoft keyboard layouts > page [2] and various local IT-shops' websites are no match for someone who > actually knows the local situation. > [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/globalization/windows-keyboard-layouts > > == Should be rather clear-cut, but asking for confirmation just in case == > Aragonese (an) - presumably most users have Spanish layout? > Asturian (ast) - ... Asturian layout (on physical Spanish keyboard)? > Bavarian (bar) - ... German layout? > Catalan (ca) - ... Catalan layout (on physical Spanish keyboard)? > Catalan (ca_VALENCIA) - ... Catalan layout (on physical Spanish keyboard)? > Friulian (fur) - ... Friulian layout (on physical Italian keyboard)? > Galician (gl) - ... Spanish layout? > Greenlandic (kl) - ... Nordic/Danish layout? > Nahuatl (nah) - ... Latin American layout? > Sorbian, Lower (dsb) - ... Sorbian layout (on German physical keyboard)? > Sorbian, Upper (hsb) - ... Sorbian layout (on German physical keyboard)? > Venetian (vec) - ... Italian layout? > > == Unclear which layout the majority of users have == > Abkhazian (ab) - which layout(s)/keyboard(s)? > Basque (eu) - according to Wikipedia, ca. 1M in Spain and ca. 0.2M in > France - so Spanish layout? > Chechen (ce) - which layout(s)/keyboard(s)? > Guarani (gug) - according to Wikipedia, used in Paraguay, Bolivia, > Argentina, Brazil - so Latin American or pt-BR? > Kurmanji (kmr_LATN) - according to Wikipedia, used in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, > Iran - is there a common layout? > Luxembourgish (lb) - according to Wikipedia, used in Luxembourg and parts > of Germany, Belgium, France - is there a common layout? > Macedonian (mk) - Macedonian layout or something else? > Occitan (oc) - according to Wikipedia, used in France, Spain, Italy, Monaco > (For all of these, see also the notes at the end of this email.) > > == Languages written using multiple scripts == > Mongolian (mn) - Cyrillic and Mongolian script. LibO localization is in > Cyrillic. Period, comma and colon keys exist on Cyrillic layout (however > Shift+comma produces "8"), so Ctrl+period and Ctrl+comma / Ctrl+colon could > be used? The Mongolian script layout is very different, and I found > conflicting information about whether or not it has a dedicated semicolon > key (seems to have a period key, though). If it has semicolon as well, then > Ctrl+period and Ctrl+semicolon could be used. (See also the note at the end > of this email.) > Uzbek (uz) - Latin and Cyrillic. LibO localization is in Latin script (and > the Uzbek Latin layout has a semicolon key) - but reportedly Cyrillic > script is still much used, so are the shortcut exceptions needed > nonetheless? (See also the notes at the end of this email.) > > == Layouts without comma key == > Most Cyrillic layouts lack a dedicated comma key as well as a semicolon key > (with Shift+period producing a comma), so another shortcut should be found > for inserting date/time. What does Excel use (if it has a localized > version)? If MS documentation is correct, then e.g. in Russian Excel, > Ctrl+Shift+colon inserts the time and Ctrl+Shift+semicolon the date (but as > colon is produced by Shift+6 on Russian layout and semicolon by Shift+4, > then presumably these are essentially Ctrl+Shift+6 and Ctrl+Shift+4). > Azeri (az) - Latin script, but no comma key - here, too, comma is produced > by Shift+period. > Belarussian (be) > Kazakh (kk) - adoption of Latin script in progress? Is there already a > commonly used layout for the Latin version? > Kyrgyz (ky) > Tajik (tg) > Tatar (tt) > Ukrainian (uk) > > == A few important notes about all of the above == > 1) As mentioned in my previous mail, the localized shortcuts depend solely > on LibO UI language (for now). So until this gets corrected, any added > localized shortcuts won't have any effect if the user has the UI in > English, for example. > 2a) Consequently (if I understand it correctly), for languages like > Mongolian or Uzbek that use multiple scripts and where LibO is only > localized into one of those, without mentioning the script in the language > code, the localized shortcuts would apply also for the other script(s) of > the language. If the layouts don't have any suitable keys in common, then > several shortcuts could be defined for one action - as long as they don't > conflict with each other - so that one shortcut is inaccessible when using > one layout, and the other is inaccessible when using the other layout. > 2b) In principle, the same approach could also be taken if a language > community uses various same-script layouts with different punctuation keys > (e.g. French vs. Spanish/Italian). > 2c) Implementing two sets of shortcuts would make the translation of the > aforementioned tip-of-the-day a bit longer, though, as both shortcut pairs > should then be mentioned. > 3) Extra question for Mac users among you: is the Mac layout for your > language the same as in Windows/Linux? If needed, shortcuts can be defined > only for Mac or only for Windows/Linux (though apparently not only for > Linux or only for Windows). > > Best regards, > Mihkel > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
