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Still no discussion of facts. I'm only seeing you forward an agenda, as a poster, unwilling and or unable to discuss anything not on your agenda. These are some of the endearing qualities of those that follow the Democratic Corporate parties, the Republican Corporate parties, which include the Tea Partiers, much less ANY Party that wants followers, and can't bother to educate them or attract them by a policy that enables them with the truth, as much of the truth as possible and no fear of opposing views or additional data, as the world ages. You just don't walk your talk and cannot or will not look at anything not handed on from on high from your Marxist source. Seriously I'd thought I was going to get a different education and find more qualities form you and yours I might have felt kinship with. Your hate for Assad is so great that you'd let a greater evil not only off the hook, carry the message they demanded needed to be carried so they can fell justified in carrying out more acts of terrorism agasint humanity. Jsut one little discussion on additional facts, led to me learning more about you, and the agenda you support, then I'd intended, but it has been a good eduction none the less. I know not to take anything at face value, I'll necessarily have to vet any and everything proposed from your Party Line Agenda. I am against big Money controlling the lives of anyone, any where for the sole benefits of those who consider themselves the betters of the masses, and I'm firmly agasint all actions even from those I had considered friendly to that cause, when they too support the agenda of the Elite/Imperialists/Corporatists/1%ers etc., et al, and so on, ad infitium. Scott > *Then I suggest you just shut the fuck up since you are wrong in most of > if > not all you wing nut analysis. * > > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:03 PM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> wrote: > >> Again, change of subject...along with a personal attack. No one disputed >> that a gas attack had occurred. >> >> Many people and more reports after the initial ones which spread as only >> the Corporate media can spread them, and other then the Empires people, >> all other sources kept finding new data as investigations were done. >> >> You, and those whose stuff you forward, along with the Empire your >> actions >> in this are serving, refuse to look at anything other then what fits >> your >> agenda. >> >> Simply posting that you think I'm a Tea party Mole shows how little >> research you do, apparently none, as your actions show rather >> consistently >> you only forward and defend what your told to. >> >> Scott >> >> > The LCC's in Syria confirmed these chemical attacks( and as I said I >> have >> > been against Assad fascism for over 21/2 years and have condemn them >> for >> > their killing and repression machine) before any Western country said >> > anything and they get no support from any outside group and they are >> > against intervention by all imperialists and sub imperialists on all >> > sides. >> > >> > And I think you are Tea Party mole and work for intel yourself, your >> anti >> > communism keeps showing. >> > You know I don't support the US and any other imperialist intervention >> but >> > you continue to lie and slander. >> > >> > Cort >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:51 PM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Cort, >> >> >> >> You do so well making my points about ad hominem and straw man >> >> arguments. >> >> You redefine what I said and attack me for that, you have yet to >> discuss >> >> any of the points I brought up. >> >> >> >> Not once have I tried to protect Assad, I have made half a dozen >> posts >> >> about what I think of him, but I am not protecting and supporting the >> >> Western Imperialist and the Corporate valuable profits as your >> actions >> >> are. You continuously protect sources that would allow any data other >> >> then >> >> the Main Stream media, the Military Industrial Complex, the CIA's >> point >> >> of >> >> view to be seen and only their solutions to be implemented. >> >> >> >> Not only that your Marxist forwards show that is what your leadership >> >> wants too. >> >> >> >> You keep putting forth no one else is doing anything other then >> Assad. >> >> there are 10 reports to your one showing that is false, and the only >> >> agreements you get is from Obama's backers. >> >> >> >> You are saying out of one side of your mouth your agasint war and >> then >> >> defending the Warmongers data since it is rewritten to fit your >> Marxist >> >> point of view, while still only violent solution's can come from your >> >> initial actions. >> >> >> >> I once found it incredible that you weren't responding to the points >> I >> >> was >> >> making about the data as a whole, what we had, and your refusal to >> look >> >> at >> >> other points of view. No longer, your actions speak loudest. >> >> >> >> I shall look at all you post with the same suspicions of 'who >> profits' >> >> from your posts as I do from the MSM's point of view and the >> >> Corporatists >> >> and Imperialists point of view. >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> > *Neither, but you sure are fighting hard to protect the fascist >> Assad. >> >> * >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> See, you change the subject, and muddy the subject, the SPECIFIC >> >> points >> >> >> I >> >> >> am trying to make, then put words in my mouth I've never uttered >> and >> >> >> then >> >> >> attack me for that. >> >> >> >> >> >> No one was responding in any manner much negatively to you about >> this >> >> >> subject. >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you CIA or Airforce trained in disinformation? These are the >> >> tactic >> >> >> they are taught to use and never veer from. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not interested in going all over the place with you about this >> or >> >> >> that, I had specific comments about a specific thing you and your >> >> >> marxist >> >> >> group are doing. >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> > And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you >> and >> >> >> others >> >> >> > can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which >> I >> >> >> believe >> >> >> > happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and >> the >> >> >> > displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel >> >> bombs >> >> >> and >> >> >> > Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter >> whether >> >> >> its >> >> >> > chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the >> >> >> brutality >> >> >> > and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children >> in >> >> >> Darra >> >> >> > wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago "the people want the >> fall >> >> of >> >> >> the >> >> >> > regime", they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe >> you >> >> will >> >> >> say >> >> >> > the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along >> >> with >> >> >> the >> >> >> > others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist >> >> regime) >> >> >> > rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs >> of >> >> >> war >> >> >> on >> >> >> > them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside >> >> intervention >> >> >> > other >> >> >> > than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed >> to >> >> >> support. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Once again, you ad homenim. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, >> insistence >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain >> >> except >> >> >> >> Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is >> >> >> delivering >> >> >> >> the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb >> Syria >> >> >> >> because >> >> >> >> they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN >> and >> >> >> >> Russia >> >> >> >> and others that people discount because of their names, will >> not >> >> be >> >> >> >> looked >> >> >> >> at. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums >> of >> >> >> war, >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while >> >> >> >> investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one >> >> should >> >> >> >> check their data sources if you find your marching along with >> >> them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives >> for >> >> that >> >> >> >> reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an >> issue >> >> >> >> occurs, >> >> >> >> it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants >> to >> >> >> discuss >> >> >> >> something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt >> to >> >> >> shame >> >> >> >> them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Scott >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 >> >> years >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> > Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. >> One >> >> can >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> > against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be >> >> against >> >> >> >> all >> >> >> >> > imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science >> to >> >> you >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not >> I. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered >> >> someone >> >> >> >> else >> >> >> >> >> whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources >> and >> >> the >> >> >> >> same >> >> >> >> >> tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about >> data >> >> >> other >> >> >> >> then >> >> >> >> >> your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause >> your >> >> >> >> sources >> >> >> >> >> supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires >> of >> >> >> Obama >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> the MIC. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about >> >> Syria >> >> >> >> then I >> >> >> >> >> knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared >> form >> >> you >> >> >> >> then >> >> >> >> >> the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as >> >> hard >> >> >> >> facts >> >> >> >> >> whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more >> >> Syrians, >> >> >> >> >> because >> >> >> >> >> Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh >> yes, >> >> it >> >> >> >> has >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> be Assad, no other discussion allowed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you >> post >> >> >> just >> >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> >> it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical >> to >> >> what >> >> >> >> your >> >> >> >> >> Marxists Groups were achieving. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who >> posted >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> same >> >> >> >> >> exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying >> to >> >> >> those >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >> present other views or want a discussion about the oddities >> and >> >> >> >> >> uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you >> >> were >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> type >> >> >> >> >> that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western >> >> Imperialism >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> >> >> case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us >> on a >> >> >> leash >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> we didn't notice? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nope... not a hint of that. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were >> >> >> trusted, >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used >> to >> >> >> >> >> disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> BTW, the subject was, has been and still is, the posts that >> >> claim >> >> >> >> >> immediately and for certain that Assad is the only possible >> >> chance >> >> >> >> >> anyone >> >> >> >> >> did exactly as Obama desired so he could appease his psycho >> >> >> masters >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> run up another war profiting account for them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You asked why would the US or anyone else want to use >> chemical >> >> >> >> weapons, >> >> >> >> >> people told you, and you reacted at them, there was no >> >> discussion >> >> >> >> about >> >> >> >> >> what was sent to you, only defense of a solid view that >> cannot >> >> be >> >> >> >> wrong >> >> >> >> >> and no additional data can ever be looked at and attacks on >> >> anyone >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> might point out why Assad would be insane to do as Obama >> wanted >> >> so >> >> >> >> he'd >> >> >> >> >> have a justification to bomb more civilians, ANYWHERE. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It's back to the old, it's what is done, what is >> accomplished >> >> not >> >> >> >> what >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> said, that defines the charterer of the person. I really had >> >> hoped >> >> >> >> you'd >> >> >> >> >> seen you were selling what Obama wanted and might take >> another >> >> >> look. >> >> >> >> Oh >> >> >> >> >> well, at least I know where you stand too when the >> emotionally >> >> >> >> charged >> >> >> >> >> propaganda comes from a source you repeat and defend, while >> not >> >> >> being >> >> >> >> >> able >> >> >> >> >> to have a conversation about the data. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Scott >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > So you are saying Russian, Chinese and Iranian >> imperialism( >> >> >> arms, >> >> >> >> >> loans, >> >> >> >> >> > training, banking, intel and capitalist ventures and in >> the >> >> case >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> Iran >> >> >> >> >> > boots on the ground with Quds Force, Iranian Revolutionary >> >> >> Guards, >> >> >> >> >> > Hezbollah and 4 Shiite groups from Iraq)) does not also >> >> profit >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > Syrian conflict. And I am not a supporting of any of the >> >> >> >> imperialist >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> > sub imperialist groupings. I am a Marxist. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Not some Stalinist, right wing or fascist and liberal or a >> so >> >> >> >> called >> >> >> >> >> > progressive who supports the Assad regime thinking they >> are >> >> anti >> >> >> >> >> > imperialist. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Cort >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry Cort, but you make this sound like the USA benefits >> >> from >> >> >> our >> >> >> >> >> wars >> >> >> >> >> >> abroad. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, US/England's interference, well actually bloody >> warfare >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> practicing genocide on the indigenous populations is more >> >> >> >> accurate, >> >> >> >> >> goes >> >> >> >> >> >> back to the 1970's it goes back to when all other sources >> of >> >> >> >> portable >> >> >> >> >> >> energy were wiped out in the early 1900's and Oil was the >> >> only >> >> >> >> method >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> be used, the West has been in and trying to control those >> >> who >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> black gold. But you insist there is not a profit motive? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Corporations that help fund political campaigns, >> whose >> >> >> >> >> advertising >> >> >> >> >> >> controls what is actually in our newspapers to the point >> we >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> N Korean news to find something worse, are the >> >> beneficiaries. >> >> >> >> Those >> >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >> >> profit from the major user of Oil, the Military >> Industrial >> >> >> Complex >> >> >> >> >> uses >> >> >> >> >> >> 40% of the world supply of Oil. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As Arhata stated, follow the money. Who profits. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When the worlds economies and the countries themselves >> are >> >> >> >> controlled >> >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> >> >> those who control the worlds economies, they are the >> >> >> >> beneficiaries. A >> >> >> >> >> >> lull >> >> >> >> >> >> in the oil supply, a lull in the food supply, the foreign >> >> >> >> nationals >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> now own 40% of the NATURAL WATER SUPPLIES in the USA can >> >> state >> >> >> >> >> scarcity >> >> >> >> >> >> and jack prices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The only real money makers left in the USA has to do with >> >> GMO's >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> chemicals, destroying food production around the world, >> >> making >> >> >> >> >> >> scarcities >> >> >> >> >> >> while controlling the only viable food supplies left, as >> >> well >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> >> Weapons >> >> >> >> >> >> Manufacturing. 12 years ago 40% of US jobs centered >> around >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> Military >> >> >> >> >> >> Industrial Complex. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Damn, war is just good business, you don't want to see a >> >> >> massive >> >> >> >> >> >> depression instead of this little one we're living in now >> do >> >> >> ya? >> >> >> >> >> After >> >> >> >> >> >> all, what other jobs would we have to support our >> economy? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So why rule out profit by Oil, as you insist on doing in >> >> every >> >> >> >> >> instance >> >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> the Middle East? The Oil Corporations based in the US and >> >> the >> >> >> UK >> >> >> >> >> profit >> >> >> >> >> >> immensely, the players that are religiously polarized in >> >> this >> >> >> >> region >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> >> the other players, and duh, they have immense amounts of >> oil >> >> >> too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Syria blocks natural gas lines form Saudi Arabia to >> European >> >> >> >> supply >> >> >> >> >> >> depots. Syria blocks sending water from Iraq and Turkey >> to >> >> >> Israel. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Syria's majority of the population is that of Iran's >> >> population >> >> >> >> too, >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> those against them have committed the greatest crimes >> >> against >> >> >> >> >> humanity, >> >> >> >> >> >> using Chemical warfare (Iraq using US supplied WMD's on >> >> >> Iranian's >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> Kurds, Israel on Palestinians). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Empowering all factions that are pro invading Syria, by >> >> >> fighting >> >> >> >> >> anyone >> >> >> >> >> >> who mentions profit motive, or anything about the major >> >> >> chemical >> >> >> >> >> warfare >> >> >> >> >> >> known criminals and their parts in Syria, seems to be a >> >> >> constant >> >> >> >> >> theme >> >> >> >> >> >> coming out of your Marxist group. Stating your for the >> >> people >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> >> consistent, but empowering the Imperialists to invade >> seems >> >> to >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> end >> >> >> >> >> >> result that these actions will achieve. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Any discussion, or will I get another personal post >> instead >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> sticking >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> the subject of, who profits. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Before the start of the revolution and now war within >> many >> >> >> wars, >> >> >> >> >> Syria >> >> >> >> >> >> > ranked 32nd in oil production and has now dropped many >> >> places >> >> >> >> >> since. >> >> >> >> >> >> This >> >> >> >> >> >> > sound like those who said at the start of the US >> >> intervention >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> Iraq >> >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> > Afghanistan ( real US intervention their began in 1978) >> >> that >> >> >> it >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> >> >> over >> >> >> >> >> >> > oil.> In Iraq the big oil contacts are with China and >> >> >> >> Afghanistan >> >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> >> >> much >> >> >> >> >> >> > is coming out. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > No, the Syrian revolution began for other reasons and >> the >> >> US, >> >> >> >> >> Qatar, >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > Saudis, Turkey, Iranian, Chinese, French and Russian >> >> >> >> imperialists >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> sub >> >> >> >> >> >> > imperialist actors on both sides, all have other >> reasons >> >> to >> >> >> >> co-opt >> >> >> >> >> or >> >> >> >> >> >> stop >> >> >> >> >> >> > it other than oil. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cort >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Arhata Osho < >> >> >> >> >> >> > arhataworldfreespe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Less than 1% of people died from 'gassing' out of over >> >> >> 100,000 >> >> >> >> >> >> killed! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> this about gassing of innocent citizens? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: *=)) rolling on the floor] Wanta buy a bridge >> >> from >> >> >> >> >> Brooklyn? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Follow the Money! Is it 'green oil' too >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How's Iraq doing now? Afghanistan? About 'oil'? >> [image: >> >> *8-| >> >> >> >> >> rolling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> eyes]The >> >> >> >> >> >> >> American citizens finance these wars.[image: *8-} >> silly] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Could that be YOU or people you know? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Cort Greene <cort.gre...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A US attack on Syria will Prolong the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> War< >> >> http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/attack-syria-prolong.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Posted on 09/04/2013 by Juan Cole >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The struggle in Syria began peacefully in spring of >> 2011, >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> >> after >> >> >> >> >> >> >> about >> >> >> >> >> >> >> half a year it turned violent when the regime deployed >> >> tanks >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> heavy munitions against the protesters. Some of the >> >> latter >> >> >> took >> >> >> >> up >> >> >> >> >> >> >> weapons >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and turned to violence in revenge. Thereafter the >> >> struggle >> >> >> >> >> spiraled >> >> >> >> >> >> into >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> civil war, in which the regime showed itself perfectly >> >> >> willing >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> attack >> >> >> >> >> >> >> civilian city quarters and kill indiscriminately. The >> >> >> struggle >> >> >> >> has >> >> >> >> >> >> >> killed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> over 100,000 persons. As the regime became ever more >> >> brutal, >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> rebel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fighters were increasingly radicalized. Now, among the >> >> more >> >> >> >> >> important >> >> >> >> >> >> >> groups is Jabhat al-Nusra or the Succor Front, a >> radical >> >> >> >> al-Qaeda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> affiliate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> President Obamas plan to bomb Syria with cruise >> missiles >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> nothing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to hasten the end of the conflict. Instead, it will >> >> likely >> >> >> >> prolong >> >> >> >> >> >> it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *It should be remembered that the US couldnt end the >> >> Iraqi >> >> >> >> civil >> >> >> >> >> war >> >> >> >> >> >> >> despite having over 100,000 boots on the ground in >> that >> >> >> >> country. >> >> >> >> >> It >> >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> highly unlikely that Washington can end this one from >> >> 30,000 >> >> >> >> >> feet.* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The hope for avoiding another decade of killing is >> that >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> governmental >> >> >> >> >> >> >> elite and the rebels get tired of fighting and prove >> >> willing >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> make >> >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> deal. It is probably too late for Syria to succeed at >> the >> >> >> kind >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> transition achieved in Yemen. There, the president >> >> stepped >> >> >> down >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> his >> >> >> >> >> >> >> vice president ran for his seat. At the same time, >> >> members >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> opposition were given seats in the cabinet. That kind >> of >> >> >> >> >> cohabitation >> >> >> >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the former enemy is easier if too much blood hasnt >> bee >> >> >> shed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The best solution for Syria would be if President >> Bashar >> >> >> >> al-Assad >> >> >> >> >> >> steps >> >> >> >> >> >> >> down and the Baath Party gave up its dictatorial >> tactics. >> >> At >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> same >> >> >> >> >> >> >> time, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the rebels would have to forewswear al-Qaeda-type >> >> extremism. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Probably each side would have to feel that they could >> not >> >> >> gain >> >> >> >> any >> >> >> >> >> >> >> substantial benefit from further fighting, for >> >> negotiations >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >> >> >> prayer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of success. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The prospect of a US missile strike is emboldening the >> >> >> rebels. >> >> >> >> >> They >> >> >> >> >> >> >> increasingly hope that the US will come in militarily >> >> with >> >> >> >> them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the rebels dont look at the proposed US missile >> strikes >> >> as >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> limited >> >> >> >> >> >> >> affair or as solely related to chemical weapons use. >> >> Aside >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> >> >> >> al-Qaeda, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> they see the US as an ally. Thus, they are complaining >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> Obamas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> indecisiveness is emboldening Syrian President >> >> >> >> >> >> >> al-Assad< >> >> >> >> >> http://www.elaph.com/Web/news/2013/9/833955.html?entry=Syria>. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The US is now part of their strategic calculations and >> >> they >> >> >> see >> >> >> >> >> >> decisive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> American action as an asset. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obviously, such euphoria at the prospect of US >> military >> >> >> >> >> intervention >> >> >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the rebel side is incompatible with the kind of >> pacted >> >> >> >> >> transition >> >> >> >> >> >> >> political scientists favor. The rebels will have every >> >> >> >> incentive >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> hold >> >> >> >> >> >> >> out for ever more forceful outside Syria intervention >> in >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> coming >> >> >> >> >> >> >> years. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> By striking Syria, Obama has all but guaranteed that a >> >> >> >> negotiated >> >> >> >> >> >> >> solution >> >> >> >> >> >> >> becomes impossible for years to come. In the absence >> of >> >> >> serious >> >> >> >> >> >> >> negotiations, the civil war will continue and likely >> get >> >> >> worse. >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> US >> >> >> >> >> >> >> should give serious thought to what the likely actual >> (as >> >> >> >> opposed >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ideal) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> reaction in Syria will be to the landing of a few >> cruise >> >> >> >> missiles. >> >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> >> anti-regime elements will celebrate, convinced that it >> >> will >> >> >> all >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> >> over >> >> >> >> >> >> >> quickly if the US gets involved. The last thing they >> will >> >> >> want >> >> >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> negotiate with the regime. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAAMN: Los Angeles Alternative Media Network --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe: <mailto:laamn-unsubscr...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe: <mailto:laamn-subscr...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digest: <mailto:laamn-dig...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help: <mailto:laamn-ow...@egroups.com?subject=laamn> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post: <mailto:la...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive1: <http://www.egroups.com/messages/laamn> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive2: <http://www.mail-archive.com/laamn@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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