Keep in mind, Syria first created their chemical and biological weapon programs to be able to defend agasint Israel's rogue nukes.
Disarmament by the side that is on the defense, is always death to them, and it is ALWAYS THE PEOPLE WHO PAY.
Scott
--- In laamn@yahoogroups.com, <scotpeden@...> wrote:
Thanks for the additional data.
That brings up one more reminder, Israel also refuses to sign on to any
treaties, including Nuclear, and even as a member of the UN refuses to
allow UN Inspectors into the Country.
To castigate one country for refusing to declare weapons of mass
destruction, and not include the largest or second largest human rights
abuser in the world, is an omission that is disingenuous, since this
article carefully picks out Syria, and omits their neighbor who is on the
self appointed good guys lists, of good guys, while Syria is on the good
guys, bad guy list, yet they have the same potentials, actually more for
Israel, we know they have nukes.
Scott
That brings up one more reminder, Israel also refuses to sign on to any
treaties, including Nuclear, and even as a member of the UN refuses to
allow UN Inspectors into the Country.
To castigate one country for refusing to declare weapons of mass
destruction, and not include the largest or second largest human rights
abuser in the world, is an omission that is disingenuous, since this
article carefully picks out Syria, and omits their neighbor who is on the
self appointed good guys lists, of good guys, while Syria is on the good
guys, bad guy list, yet they have the same potentials, actually more for
Israel, we know they have nukes.
Scott
> There are reports they came fro Iraq in 2003( which in turn came from the
> US and moved by Russia to Syria, and I am sure Russia maybe sold some) but
> Syria has its own weapons bio labs...
>
> http://www.santiagotimes.cl/chile/health-and-environment/26631-official-hid-destruction-of-chilean-dictatorship-era-bio-weapons
>
> Official hid destruction of Chilean dictatorship-era
> bio-weapons<http://www.santiagotimes.cl/chile/health-and-environment/26631-official-hid-destruction-of-chilean-dictatorship-era-bio-weapons>
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> *Five years on, former health director tells of how she panicked over
> discovery of deadly botulinum toxin enough to kill thousands which she
> then secretly destroyed.*
>
> Gen. Augusto Pinochets military dictatorship possessed biological weapons
> capable of killing thousands, it was revealed by a former government
> official Thursday.
>
> [image: Alkaloids]
>
> Vials of botulinum toxin sit in a laboratory. A dated stockpile of the
> toxin was found in Santiago in 2008. Photo via Wikimedia Commons
> Former Public Health Institute
> (ISP<http://www.santiagotimes.cl/chile/health-and-environment/18550-chile-keeps-close-watch-on-cholera-cases%20>)
> director Ingrid Heitmann told the German Press Agency (DPA) that two
> boxes
> of syringes full of Botulinum toxin dating back to the 1980s were
> found underneath the ISP in 2008. Initially, Heitman claimed the amount
> could wipe out half of Santiago, though later revised this estimate to
> the thousands without giving a precise number.
>
> Heitmann said the toxins were destroyed without then-President Michelle
> Bachelets office or the Justice Ministry being informed, and added she
> panicked when her colleagues made the discovery.
>
> The Biological Weapons Convention of
> 1972<http://www.unog.ch/80256EE600585943/(httpPages)/04FBBDD6315AC720C1257180004B1B2F?OpenDocument%20>
> prohibits
> the development, production and stockpiling of toxins as weapons.
> Botulinum
> toxin Type-A, marketed commercially as Botox, can cause the deadly food
> poisoning botulism, but has been used in minute quantities for cosmetic
> and
> medical procedures as it decreases muscular activity.
>
> Former Health Minister Álvaro Erazo (2008-2010) said he never knew of the
> existence of the biological weapons and said he did not understand why
> Heitmann did not come forward before.
>
> Of course this news impacts the whole country because of the implications
> it may have in human rights violations cases, Erazo told Una Nueva
> Mañana.
>
> Legal evidence and reports
> <http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2000/03/16/i-03201d.htm%20>had
> previously demonstrated that botulinum toxin was tested on in labs, and
> sarin gas and thallium were manufactured during Pinochets military
> dictatorship<http://santiagotimes.cl/opinion/question-answer/26578-qaa-chilean-author-on-the-cias-role-in-the-1973-military-coup%20%20>.
> Secret police (DINA) agent Eugenio Berríos was charged with carrying out
> the production and use of sarin gas under Pinochets orders.
>
> The toxins found underground in 2008 were believed to have been sent from
> the Butantan Institute of Sao Paulo, Brazil, in the 1980s. Heitmann added
> Chile did not have the capacity to produce botulinum toxin.
>
> Chile is one of the 170 parties to the Biological Weapons Convention which
> prohibits the development, production and stockpiling of biological and
> toxic weapons. Seven countries, including Syria, have not signed the
> agreement.
>
> The use of prohibited bio-chemical weapons has been at the heart of the
> Syrian conflict since July 2012 and since the country has not ratified the
> Chemical Weapons Convention nor the Biological Weapons Convention, it has
> not had to formally declare what weapons it possesses.
>
> The revelation on Chiles biological weapons come after alleged chemical
> attacks on rebel-held parts of eastern Damascus, Syria, were reported
> Wednesday<http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/201382163812810810.html>.
> Medics and activists estimate that between 1,000 and 1,800 were killed
> while bodies continue to be found.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:10 PM, <scotpeden@...> wrote:
>
>> Considering the good number of articles I've read in the last 4
>> Presidential Administrations, about all chemical and biological weapons,
>> and the source of manufacture has always been Ft Detrick in the USA, and
>> that all other chemical and biological weapons facilities have always
>> been
>> attacked and destroyed since the USA forced the rest of the world into a
>> treaty after WW I, I must always wonder why it is never mentioned WHERE
>> THESE CHEMICAL WEAPONS CAME FROM.
>>
>> During the run up to GWB's Shock and awe shit campaign, several articles
>> came out showing that the weapons that Rumsfield delivered to Saddam,
>> while under Poppy Bush, to be used agasint the Iranians, was part of a
>> treaty agreement we had with Europe to reduce the stockpile in the USA,
>> and since it cost so much to decontaminate them, and the weenies
>> environmentalists won't let the military dump this stuff in Chesapeake
>> Bay
>> like they've always done, it was decided to export the older stock, that
>> was about to lose it's viability, to those nations whose Dictators
>> danced
>> on US CIA strings.
>>
>> I've no idea about Sarin, I did read about the shelf lifes of both
>> Pepper
>> and Mustard Gas, and it isn't decades long as I recall.
>>
>> So that too is important, when were the Chemical WMDs acquired form the
>> USA, and what is their shelf life.
>>
>> As in Syria, the gas being used in the first attack back in December,
>> initially was declared as being weak and probably very old stock.
>>
>> As always, information left OUT of reports, can be as important as what
>> was in the report.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> >
>> http://venceremoschile.blogspot.com/2013/08/pinochet-era-biological-and-chemical.html
>> > Ramona Wadi
>> >
>> > Friday, August 23, 2013
>> > Pinochet era biological and chemical weapons clandestinely destroyed
>> > A recent declaration by the Institute of Public Health acknowledged
>> > Pinochet's possession of chemical weapons and their destruction in
>> 2008.
>> > Ingrid Heitmann, former director of the institute, declared that
>> Pinochet
>> > had obtained 'enough chemical weapons to eliminate thousands of people
>> in
>> > Chile and abroad'.
>> >
>> > Human rights lawyer Nelson Caucoto has expounded upon the importance
>> of
>> > disclosure, in order for Chileans to comprehend the character of the
>> armed
>> > forces, as well as the 'culture of death' operating during Pinochet's
>> > dictatorship. The destruction of the weapons, according to Carmen
>> Hertz,
>> > may have also served to annihilate proof of the chemicals being used
>> in
>> > assassinations. The same concern was echoed by former health minister
>> > Alvaro Erazo, who claimed to have no previous knowledge of the
>> weapons'
>> > existence. Both Caucoto and Hertz have called for further
>> investigations,
>> > with Caucoto stating that Chileans have the right to learn about the
>> > 'culture of death' still heavily protected in Chile by the military.
>> As
>> in
>> > the case of Victor Jara's murder, Caucoto reiterated the lack of
>> > cooperation exhibited by the Chilean Armed Forces, who continue to
>> > withhold
>> > information which, if declassified, would shed light upon the
>> multitude
>> of
>> > atrocities committed by the dictatorship.
>> >
>> > Previous reports and research indicate that the manufacture of such
>> > weapons, entrusted to Eugenio Berrios and Michael Townley, was a
>> priority
>> > for DINA in relation to el Plan Condor. Human experiments involving
>> sarin
>> > gas were carried out on detainees held in Cuartel Simon Bolivar,
>> > epitomised
>> > by the torture inflicted upon two unidentified Peruvians who were
>> forced
>> > to
>> > inhale the lethal spray and later administered a cyanide injection by
>> > Gladys Calderon. Other experiments were conducted upon detainees held
>> at
>> > Colonia Dignidad - a detention centre which also hosted a laboratory
>> used
>> > for the production of bio-chemical weapons.
>> >
>> > In July 1976, Spanish diplomat, former Unidad Popular advisor and
>> member
>> > of
>> > CEPAL Carmelo Soria was abducted by DINA agents and his corpse
>> discovered
>> > in Canal del Carmen in Santiago. Despite dictatorship reports claiming
>> his
>> > death had occurred as a result of a car accident, Soria had been
>> detained
>> > in Via Naranja - the same location used by Michael Townley and Eugenio
>> > Berrios for their clandestine work, and subjected to sarin gas.
>> >
>> > Following the assassination of Orlando Letelier in Washingtom, Eugenio
>> > Berrios was helped to flee to Uruguay to avoid testifying regarding
>> his
>> > role in el Plan Condor, including the murder of Carmelo Soria. In
>> November
>> > 1992, having escaped from the house of Uruguayan Colonel Eduardo
>> Radaelli,
>> > Berrios declared to the police that he was being held hostage upon
>> orders
>> > from Pinochet. His body was discovered three years later on the beach
>> of
>> > el
>> > Pinar.
>> >
>> > Suspicions have also been raised regarding the deaths of former
>> > president Eduardo Frei Montalva and Chilean poet Pablo Neruda, both
>> > believed to have been administered a toxic substance while at the
>> Santa
>> > Maria Clinic.
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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