On 15 June 2011 10:34, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I don't follow why people going elsewhere is a problem. >>> >>> The problem is more, people are not going into the labs. >> >> Why is that a problem? We offer an environment for people to use, if it goes >> quiet for a while, that's entirely fine. The only action I believe we should >> take is perhaps publicise ourselves more to ASF people who might not know we >> exist.
+1 > Going quiet is the one thing, going dormant the other. With Github > around, we should see if there is really a need for such places like > Labs. > >>> But: >>> - the entry for a lab is to strict (only experimental features, see >>> discussion between Ross and myself) >>> - how can a lab become successful with so much rules (no releases)? >> >> The goal of labs is not to become successful, that you only become when you >> build a community around yourself. Instead, the goal of labs is a place to >> try stuff out, with the full understanding that you might not be successful. >> It's a place to start something. > > Yeah, but if you do something related to a ASF project you will need > to go to the projects Sandbox. How many projects actually have a Sandbox? Also, what about code that does not really fit anywhere else? > So there are only a few things which > are meant for labs. And even for those Apache-Extras could be used > more easily. For example if you collaborate with non-ASFlers. So Labs > it just for doing experimental stuff in collaboration with other > ASFlers or alone. Not really an argument for going to labs instead of > apache-extras. > >> If you want to make a release, that's the point when you should no longer be >> a lab, and you need to graduate somewhere else, hopefully the incubator. +1 > I disagree. Labs should be able to do alpha versions without the pain > of a full incubation. Well at least you can do at release on your > personal webpage, so I don't consider this a huge negative argument. > >>>> I see it as entirely fine that labs should go quiet from time to time, >>>> and >>>> believe the only thing we really should do in this situation perhaps is >>>> advertise labs more widely. >>> >>> We should first discuss if there is still a real need of labs before >>> putting more effort in it - my 2 cents >> >> Do ASF people need a place to try stuff out? I believe they do, and that's >> the purpose of labs. +1 > I don't believe it. If it were like this, Labs would not be so quiet. > People can easily go to github or apache-extras. In which case we don't get to hear about it, unless it is separately advertised. Committers can subscribe to Labs and they automatically get advised of any new lablings. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org
