Do these joins work well on heavy (thick thread) laces?.......................As I want it to look good (it's a special present for friends), and wasn't happy with the way the first repeat or two turned out, making extra and overlapping sounds like a good idea,
No, not really. It is traditionally used to do joins across the grounds such as Flanders where 4 pairs are used at a pin hole so the "stitch" at each pin has a lot of *body* to it and several sewing stiches work around the perimeter of the hole. It probably wouldn't be strong enough, for example, on a point-ground ground as there is only the one cross movement and an uncovered pin. It would just pull apart. Problems with overlapping leaves and sewing round, apart from the bulk, will be is that they will both need to be identical in shape to be inconspicuous, and making sure the weaver is secure so the whole leaf doesn't unravel. With plaits, it will probably be hard to keep them on-top-of each other rather than next-to (which would obviously show as it would then be twice as wide) and also anchoring all 8 ends so the plaits don't fray and fluff. For your plaits and leaves type lace, take a look at Ulrike Lohr (+?)'s "The beginning of the end" where she shows how to finish leaves and plaits into the back of themself with a magic thread and then a hitched bundle. Depending on how awful you think the start is, (and how many pairs and how much patience you have) it should be possible to cut the starting loops and un-lace to where you are happy with it, work the end of the lace until it matches and knot the matching ends together, *then* lose the ends into the back of the leaves and plaits (but in now in both directions as you have two sets of ends) as above <VBG> Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]