Looks like I'm gonna be tied to the puter half the night, if I want to adress all the "points" without copying and pasting like mad...

On Oct 25, 2005, at 21:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote:

Also, the men of our lace community tend to be very good lacemakers, often designers and innovators. I can't think of a single one who is mediocre.

It's the same principle - only in reverse - as applies to women in sciences, politics, law, etc... You have to overcome so many prejudices to get anywhere, that you have to be totally focused from the beginning. Which, naturally, ends up in your being much better than most of your competition.

Embroidery, knitting, BL-ing, whatever... A woman's desire to do any of those isn't likely to be "checked" by "it's not a very womanly thing to do" comment; my DH's opposition has always been on the grounds of the unwomanly _obsessiveness_, not about the subject of the obsession. But, when my son delivered a crossstitched bookmark (keyboard with a rose, and he designed most of it himself, with just a bit of help from me) to his piano teacher, her first comment was "how rare for a boy to do something like that". And that's from a teacher who'd been _programmed_ never to criticise, even by implication (which is why, eventually, my son switched teadhers; he wanted a more realistic assessment of hs abilities <g>).

He was 8 at the time, and you can be sure he never touched textiles since. It takes a lot of self confidence to "row upstream"...

[...] men. They tend to have more money and are very competitive,

(Some) women are just as competitive as (some) men; attend a meeting of a prospective fiber group (or any other group), and the very first thing that's talked about is determining the pecking order - president, vice president, other officers... The second most important subject is the fundraising. The object - why are we trying to form a group and how the money will be used (if we even need it to function) is a distant third subject of the discussion, and, sometimes, gets "tabled" to the next meeting (none of which I've attended <g>).

Men's competitiveness may be more aggressive, but beeing nibbled to death by ducks is no fun, either. IMO.

I have noticed that the craft of making flies for fly fishing involves all the same equipment as lace, lights, magnification, clamps, thread.

True; many of us buy odds and ends in the fly-fishing stores. But, when I tried to share the excitement of the skills involved... All 3 men (over a period of 12 yrs; I've given up now) looked at me as if I'd lost my cotton-pickin' mind... One unbent so far as to explain: "well, I do something useful"

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Tamara P Duvall                            http://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA     (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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