Thanks for the clarification Lorelei! This is a terrific explanation & one I will print out to share with my embroidery friends. I wasn’t thinking about the process, I was focusing on the result. Thanks again. Susan
Sent from my iPad > On Aug 30, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Lorelei Halley <lhal...@bytemeusa.com> wrote: > > Susan > I think the distinction between needle lace and embroidery is quite clear, > at least in my own mind. But I am thinking of the structure of the finished > object, and the working methods while it was under construction. If there is > any background woven fabric still existing in the piece, it is embroidery. > The woven fabric forms the substrate, the ground, which holds the thing > together. True needle lace requires the construction of a temporary > scaffolding, in the form of the needle lace sandwich. Now, knotted > Mediterranean needle laces, both Turkish/Armenian and puncetto, don't have > the sandwich or any temporary scaffolding, but they are definitely "stitches > in the air". > > There are several forms of embroidery which use the same filling stitches > used in geometric needle lace: reticella embroidery, all forms of > rectangular cutwork (including Cilaos), Hardanger, and even filet lacis > (square knotted netting decorated with embroidery). > > So in my thinking if woven fabric persists in the object as the structural > framework, it is embroidery. If there is no woven fabric, it is needle lace. > The really difficult one if filet lacis. The very same fillings are used in > that form as in geometric cutwork. But the permanent grounding is hand > knotted square mesh. > > There is also a problem with sol laces. Again, the decorations used may be > the same as in drawn thread embroidery, or much more elaborate. There is a > scaffolding, but it is hand made. > Lorelei > > Subject: [lace] Cilaos needle lace > "how & when do we distinguish between needle lace & lace-like embroidery?" > Susan Hottle USA > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
