Thank you, Nancy, your explanation was very useful. I learned this kind of lace collecting *mantillas* and being a young family member of an active professional embroiderer. *Mantillas* were made in bobbin lace and later, when the manufacture had to speed up, they were embroidered on machine tulle. Then you have the manual embroidered mantillas (which some people in the south of Spain call them "de chantilly") and the machine embroidered (called "granadinas" because they were made in Granada, but we have not to forget the ones made in the area of Barcelona, but not so well known). In the late 50s and in the 60s in the schools girls had to embroider their own round or triangular *mantillas* to go to church. I got such one in my collection. Maria Greil
El sáb., 18 jul. 2020 a las 19:16, N.A. Neff (<nancy.a.n...@gmail.com>) escribió: > I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on > machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not > usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get > into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined > "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. > > I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne > and maybe was lost in cyberspace. > > Nancy > Connecticut, USA > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil <mariagr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but > machine > > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > > Maria > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > > enlarged. > > > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and > the > > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > > beautiful design and well executed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nancy > > > > Connecticut, USA > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
