Hello Sue

http://www.colourmart.com/eng/knowledge_base/knitting_properties";

The only challenge on the aside, is this chart reverses the weights of 4 ply and fingering, as Richard of Colourmart engaged a relatively "novice knitter" when he started his business to help him set up the chart, and she was unfamiliar with fingering. 4 ply typically tends to be thicker than fingering, thought the lines have blurred in all descriptions as knitting becomes more international.
If the Nm sizes are correct and the 4 ply is Nm2/14 and the fingering is Nm 3/14 then the chart is correct with 4 ply finer than fingering.

Originally, fingering was 2 ply, and 4 ply was as stated. The old rule was that sport was doubled fingering, and worsted was doubled sport, and the UK double knitting falls between sport and worsted (5 sts per inch in stockinette/stocking stitch).
In UK it used to be 2 ply, 3 ply and 4 ply which were just that, getting thicker with each additional ply, double knitting which was thicker but still with 4 plies and occasionally Aran which was very thick. Everyone knew what the names meant and although manufacturers didn't like to say so, one brand of 4 ply was very much like any other brand of 4 ply. Fingering meant a quality worsted which had been carded and combed whilst 'ordinary' wools were just combed.

Then synthetics (acrylic mainly) were introduced and they started making all sorts of different yarns and also used fewer but thicker plies (less spinning so cheaper to make!) Added to that the internet meant that lots of American yarns and patterns became available. Not only were the Americans using a different numbering system for their needles, but they also used different descriptions for their yarns. No wonder people got confused!

The needle sizing is getting better now with metric sizes becoming the norm in most places. It would be nice if the manufacturers would start putting a 'proper' size onto their yarns, probably Nm (indirect) or Tex (direct). With the exception of someone who is hand-spinning I'm pretty sure that all the yarn manufacturers do know how much fibre goes into each metre of yarn and/or how many Km they get from a Kg of fibres, and thus they do know the Nm/Tex. They can keep the fancy brand names, just add a proper size!

The very finest laceweight is called cobweb, but unfortunately I do not remember the wraps per inch (wpi) which is more definitive in thread, and less so with yarn (because of the stretchiness, thus varying thickness of it).
I have a sample of TM Hunter's 1 ply which measures 15 w/cm (37 w/inch). I also have some Jamieson & Smith 1 ply on a UFO somewhere but I can't find it!

As mentioned weights cannon amply apply here since some fibers are much heavier than others so cannot directly indicate thickness nor yardage.
Cotton and linen have specific gravities of 1.54
Wool is 1.32 and silk 1.3
Synthetics are usually 1.11 - 1.15
Thus you can compare cotton and linen, you can compare wool and silk and you can more or less compare synthetics.

Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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