"dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jackie, Sue - hi - a question: what is the deal with so-called "truth
serum?" Is that sodium pentathol? Not sure. But isn't there an injection
(usually) that so relaxes a person that the tongue goes wag wag wag?
Waiting to be enlightened... :) LDMF.
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Sue Hartigan wrote:
>
> Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hi Jackie:
>
> What is an amicus brief?
>
> Sue
> >
> > Hi Terry
> >
> > Thank you for the site. The info you included in your post was gathered
> > from a specific groups of scientists it appears and is an amicus brief
> > and is only to present legal arguments or facts on behalf of someone.
> > IOW, it is my belief it is similar to an expert witness. And you,
> > yourself, state that it is not the most effective way of learning the
> > truth. So why would Paula taking a lie detector test prove anything?
> > Also all the information that I have summarized below counters the
> > excerpts from the amicus brief.
> >
> > Here is the information I have from psychology sources: Bacon's 1998
> > Psychology textbook, Meyer's 1998 Psychology textbook, Kassim 1998
> > Psychology textbook, Hockenbury & Hockenbuy 1997 Psychology textbook and
> > Meyer"s (frorensic psychologist) book on abnormal behavior and the cj
> > system.
> >
> > 1. The central assumption underlying the polygraph test is that lying
> > results in more emotional arousal than telling the truth. Lying then is
> > stressful and should cause the same physiological responses that stress
> > does. Problem number 1--*most*, not all people, experience these
> > physiological responses when lying. Some people are able to lie without
> > experiencing arousal or anxiety because of the personality
> > characteristics, chemical use, or physical attributes. One of the
> > characteristics of an antisocial is that they are amoral--to feel guilt,
> > stress, anxiety about lying you must have some degree of morality I
> > would think. Other characteristics is that of persistent lying,
> > disregard for the truth, and manipulation (con-artist). Evidence shows
> > that accomplished con artists can tell huge lies with little little or
> > no emotional respons.
> >
> > 2. The lie detector does not detect lies--only emotional arousal.
> > Similar responses occur with feelings of irritation, guilt, anxiety,
> > etc. Thus, a person's perceptions can affect the results of the test.
> > If a dishonest person is skeptical but an honest persons believes the
> > detector works, the person telling the truth may actually show a larger
> > reaction on the machine than a person who is lying. And, because the
> > machine cannot detect which emotion is being recorded, at a conservative
> > estimate the test errs about 1/3 of the time, with innocent people being
> > more likely to fail the test than a lying person. Others estimate the
> > error for innocent people at 45 percent. Also there are simple
> > countermeasures that can be used even with the refined polygraph tests
> > now given. Studies show that you can beat the test simply by
> > distracting yourself or by tensing your muscles, biting your tongue, or
> > squeezing your toes while answering the control questions which will
> > mask the stress aroused by lying to the relevant questions.
> >
> > Finally, it has been concluded after review of all the polygraph
> > research for the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment that it
> > is possible to make accurate and discriminating judgments of truth and
> > deception only IF the subject is naive and the examiner well-trained.
> >
> > This leaves me with the conclusion that Paula Jones polygraph test tells
> > me nothing in regard to her truthfulness or not. In fact, if I wanted
> > to be cyncial I would point out that if she really had suffered such
> > emotional trauma, then she should have been aroused emotionally just
> > having to answer the relevant questions and. thus, should have failed
> > the test. They have found some evidence for this when questioning rape
> > victims using the polygraph test.
> >
> > jackief
> >
> > However, these same responses (physical) are present in people when they
> > they are experiencing anxiety, irritation,
>
> --
> Two rules in life:
>
> 1. Don't tell people everything you know.
> 2.
>
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