Am 22.05.05, 21:47 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Fuernkranz:

> Kai-Uwe Behrmann schrieb:
 
> white is encoded as 685 (not 255), and black as 95 (as you say). However,

Yes you are right here as well as Bob with 685 not 255.

> these values seem to be only the default values, and my interpretation is,
> that the defaults may be replaced by individual values, if a different white
> or black point is more approrpiate for rendering a particular Cineon image to
> an output-referred color space.
> 
> This web page also specifies, how the 10-bit Cineon encoding should be
> converted to 8-bit video RGB encoding, and they specify conversion variants
> without and with different amounts of soft clipping. The described conversion
> can be IMO easily carried out with TRCs.

No problem to create the curves and the usual RGB clipping casts too. 
Soft clipping does not help.

> But I'm still wondering, which RGB color space they mean with "video RGB". It
> looks like they assume an RGB color space with (default) gamma 1.7, but they
> are not perfectly clear about this issue either, since they also seem to call
> this "linear RGB"? And so far, I could not find a statement, where they would
> specify any RGB primaries of this video RGB color space.

CCIR 709 primaries are used.

> Furthermore, the colorimetric properties of the Cineon color space itself are
> IMO not specified clearly either. The 10-bit log encoding seem to be specified
> in terms of "printing densities", where "Printing Density = the density above
> D-min of the negative as seen by the combination of print film and the
> illumination of a standard motion picture printer" (according to
> http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/motion/support/dlad/kodak_digital_lad_users_guide.pdf).
> But which spectral properties do the assumed film and the "illumination of a
> standard motion picture printer" have? A densitometric match does not
> necessarily imply a colorimetric match, the same densities may result in
> different observed XYZ colors for different films.

A dim sorounding is assumed , like usual in TV environments. I think with 
D65 but not shure.
 
> Regards,
> Gerhard
> 
> 

regards
Kai-Uwe Behrmann
                                + development for color management 
                                + imaging / panoramas
                                + email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                                + http://www.behrmann.name



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