David Douthitt wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2000, at 8:43, Rick Onanian wrote:
> > Okay, speaking of that...do you suppose there's really a lot of
> > blind people who want to build linux routers?
>
> Ah, but we're not speaking of them are we? Only about people wanting
> to read our web page :-)
Minor but important distinction. :)
> Seriously, why not? Blind users have homes just like everyone else,
> and there are blind Linux users, including mailing lists such as
> "blinux-list" and others.
Yes, but I just wonder how blind people can interact with a LEAF
system...
> > Do blind people have video cards that read them text, or just
> > software?
>
> Some have hardware, some have software. A fellow I knew had a widget
> that he scanned over the text screen to read the text on screen; it
> put the characters into braille on a "fingerpad" thingie.
The ones who have software probably won't be able to use it.
The ones who have hardware may not want to spend money on
another blind-video card for a $25 router.
That screen-to-braille thing sounds incredibly cool.
You've answered my question; blind people _can_ use LEAF.
In that case, blind people _are_ a good example to use
when debating web page format.
> > If it was only software, I would say not to worry too much about
> > them, as they won't be able to use LEAF anyway.
>
> Why not? I'm going to see if I can compile SVGATextMode and brltty;
> both should help blind users.
Is there opensource blind-reading software? Most LEAF stuff
will continue in the LRP tradition of missing lots of libs;
and such software probably takes a lot of space, too. I don't
see blind people using reading software on LRP as practical.
> I also noticed that lynx supports (internally) finger, gopher, ftp,
> http, and news - doesn't that make it almost a candidate for
> "superbinary" like busybox or tinylogin?
Well, for the ftp and http anyway; but just remember...the
more functionality and convenience that's put into a LEAF
system, the more tools somebody has who has compromised your
firewall...
> I was hoping I had - I'm glad to see I was right. But what I have is
> not an "idea" but a suggestion for EVERY page.... Look for some web
> pages about designing web pages for the disabled and let's see if the
> LEAF page can hold to THOSE standards....
For EVERY page in the world, or for every leaf page? There
will be _one_ leaf page; we will decide after looking at
submissions.
If you're saying for EVERY page in the world..that's a great
ideal, and I support it, but of course...not at all realistic.
David, please...do up a sample LEAF page to best express your
concept. While the talk is of 'choosing/voting on a page', what
is most likely to happen is out of all the pages we have to
choose from, we will take qualities and characteristics of many
of them to make the actual LEAF page. The best way to
communicate your ideas, in this case, is to show us.
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> David Douthitt
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