On Jan 18, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote:

> On 18/01/14 10:41, Brooks Harris wrote:
>> On 2014-01-18 12:43 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote:
>>> On 18/01/14 08:57, Brooks Harris wrote:
>>>> On 2014-01-17 11:15 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's face it, this lump of orbital debris we call our home planet is
>>>>> what we have as a reference and try to have common set of references.
>>>>> This is our "universe".
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The "universe" is a little larger than that for the astronomers. "Earth
>>>> time" would have made more sense.
>>> 
>>> You are missing my point, the word "universe" have different meanings,
>>> and when originally used for UTC it was used to mean a coordinated
>>> time for that "lump of orbital debris" and not for the "Universe".
>>> Thus, using a particular interpretation of the word as an argument is
>>> not very fruitful. It is just not very suitable choice of words, at
>>> least in english.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Both terms, "universal" and "coordinated", are laden with historical
>> connotations.
>> 
>> If you somehow refine the description of UTC I think you'd better rename
>> it.
> 
> There are ways to alter the definition of UTC and keeping within the concept.
> 
> If you want a different concept, then it's a different time-scale. The 
> concept they are looking for already have an existing time-scale, but 
> naturally they are free to contribute to the proliferation of time-scales by 
> doing yet another one.

Proleptic UTC isn't really UTC, since it is a pure elapsed time in the 
Proleptic phase. It ceases to be an approximation of UT, UT1 or UT2 in any 
meaningful way.  But it is a damn convenient way to define things....

Warner
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