Important yes. More important, no way. ;-) Sent from my iPhone. D"r Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist.
On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:43, "Mark Humphries" <mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > If you read my original post I put “owners” in quotation marks. > > > > Listen Mike, and the rest of you apoplectic about Bates, there are far more > important things going on in the world, and no doubt in your life. > > > > It’s a game full of overpaid primadonnas, on and off the pitch. If one of > the other bidders were offering us a transfer kitty of 1bn I might be > interested as then we might be able to compete for the premier league, but > they weren’t, so fuck it. > > > > From: beden...@gmail.com [mailto:beden...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dr Michael > Benjamin > Sent: 17 August 2011 18:53 > To: Mark Humphries > Cc: Rick Duniec; Leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Saviour - this old debate again (hit delete if you don't > want to read it) > > > > What bloody owners? > > Bates playing Ducks and Drakes and ripping everyone off. > > The maneuvering was an obvious rip off. > > He didn't know who they were but they wrote off a fortune!! > > Then he did know who they were when he had to . > > When did he have this revelation? Bates's miraculous epiphany!! > > Even scientologists swallow less piffle > > > > > > Dr Michael Benjamin, > Community Psychiatrist > ------------------------------- > myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT > http://www.myRay.com > ------------------------------ > Mental Health: > http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com > -------------------------------- > Auditing || Quality Control > http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ > -------------------------------- > Blog: > http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com > > > > On 17 August 2011 18:37, Mark Humphries <mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk> > wrote: > > Jeez.. > > Ok, there were "viable" other bids, but how many remained at the end of the > process, when the owners said they would only sell to Bates? We had lots of > buyers the first time around, but when push came to shove they all > disappeared. > > Simon Morris *was* involved in the ultimate redbus bid though right? > > Of course the resale to Bates was the plan from the outset, who said any > different. My point (again) is that the owners did not say they would only > sell to Bates until the last moment when it looked like another bid might be > voted for by the other creditors. Up until that point there was no decision > to be made by them as there were no threats to Bates own bid. Or, for the > sake of clarity, they did not have to play that card until that card needed > playing, which was right at the end, which suggests all these other bids > which were so great for the creditors, did not actually exist/were not > serious/were not viable. If they were then the other creditors would have > indicated immediately their preference for one of those bids, and the "only > bates" card would have been played then. > > And it seems you find it hard to understand how selling players to "asset > strip" could work - funny that because that's exactly what some people are > saying Bates is doing now. Let me explain. Sell your best players, make a > profit, trouser that profit. Morris (and by association redbus) was alleged > to be only interested in the land, not the club itself, at the time, were > they not? > > Anyway, this is all old old history, all I was trying to say was that just > as we cannot for sure say Bates was our saviour, we cannot say he was not > our saviour because we have no idea what the other owner(s) would have done > with the club, even with the best intentions (Ridsdale anyone?). > > -----Original Message----- > From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On > Behalf Of Rick Duniec > Sent: 17 August 2011 16:15 > To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: [LU] Saviour - this old debate again (hit delete if you don't want > to read it) > > > The saviour issue is relevant as it was in last nights match programme. > > Morris was interested and was bidding. By the final "sale" of the club by > KPMG - which was the second lot of sale bids, Redbus (who were fine on their > own) had been forced into a joint bid with Morris in order to reduce > (share) the financial risk perceived to be with regard to the Golden Share. > Redbus had previously been bidding on their own. I don't think that Redbus > would have allowed Simon Morris to front the joint bid. > > The resale to Bates was THE PLAN from the outset. It wasn't something that > came up "late in the day". > What was necessary to achieve the planned objective changed as things > developed. What you describe as being the 'only option' was a deliberate > strategy to prevent the sale to any other party. > > As far as I am aware ALL of the alternative bids were viable. From an > ongoing funding of the club point of view they were probably all > substantially MORE viable than the Bates position. You must have noticed > that we are underfunded since KPMGs sale to Bates' friends. > > I'm NOT agreeing that somebody could have come in and sold off the players > to make a fast buck because you haven't thought it through, nor have you > added up the numbers. If you spell out what you are saying would have taken > place then that might be something to discuss. Sell off the players and then > what ? What are you suggesting ? Would the sale of the players even have > been possible ? What types of organisations can "own" players registrations > and sell them to other clubs ? > Has what you are suggesting been done at a club before and if not, why not ? > Consider what would have happened to the Golden Share in whatever scenario > you have in mind. > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
