I meant the Jonathan Douglas that played most matches in the season we reached the Championship playoffs,kept his place under Blackwell, Wise and Grayson, and left (like Johnson and Kilkenny) because he could earn more elsewhere. In his first season at Swindon he was voted supporters' player of the season and players' player of the season. But what would they know? He then turned down a new contract at Swindon for more money at Brentford who last time I looked were in league 1 not league 2 as you imply-you need to keep up mate. If we'd kept Douglas and played him at right back we would have saved money and had a better defence in recent seasons.
I dont know why you mention Collins but his weaknesses were obvious when he was on loan and he should never have been made permanent. The same mistake is being made now with Pugh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Walker To: David Bromley ; list leedslist Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report It's a bit of a shame that even at 2-0 down and 10 men that you have to start thinking about protecting your goal difference. What about Boro when we went down to 10 men and were still the better team. We just crumbled and it's my opinion that Grayson has lost it when it comes to the defence and also in his belief that Danny Pugh is doing a job for him. Johnny Douglas - you're having a laugh mate. He couldn't read a game or pass a ball. He ran around like a headless chicken not actually contributing at all but giving the impression he was. He came with premiership status , we soon realised he wasn't good enough for the championship (but was an ever present) and then subsequently not good enough for League One and now it appears that League 2 is challenging him. He'll eventually end up where he belongs - non-league. and what about Neil Collins - he was solid and doing a job for us wasn't he ? What a joke. From: David Bromley <da...@bromleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk> To: list leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 12:18 Subject: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report > There were some favourable comments from an old pro posted yesterday regarding Jonathan Douglas. Whatever his other failings I agreed with what was written and always thought he read the game well and saw things early. By contrast Kisnorbo often seems to see things late and this happened several times yesterday. > > A large number of Pugh's passes yesterday were hospital passes. > > I am surprised no-one has commented on the manager's tactics yesterday when Lees was sent off, we were 2 goals down to a team that had been outplaying us from the off. > We weren't going to win so I wonder why Grayson didn't bring on O'Brian straight away to replace Lees and take off one of the forwards (preferably Keogh who didn't get a kick or header all night) and try to protect our goal difference. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phill Shields" <phillshie...@hotmail.com> > To: <david.nat...@btinternet.com>; <leedslist@gn.apc.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [LU] Blackpool report > > >> >> >> David, >> >> I usually agree with your reports but I take issue with your comment about Kisnorbo looking like getting back to his best. Rachubka did indeed have a mare but it really would be glossing over the cracks to attribute this defeat soley down to him. For the 1st goal Connelly had lots of time and lost possession. Next thing a free unchallenged shot - where was the cover from the centre halves? >> >> The 2nd goal was a howler for the keeper and for the third I have no idea what Kisnorbo was doing when Lua Lua waltzed through to have a shot without anyone near him. The 4th goals was Connelly's fault for not not getting tight in his reshuffled centre half role and Kisnorbo was ball watching again for their 5th. >> >> As you say the game was over at 2:0 and I take your point about the fans response at the end. The abuse and booing that Rachubka got from the Kop was frankly a disgrace. Yes he had a mare and I doubt we will see him again but I don't expect to hear Leeds "fans" treat one of their own in that way. >> >> Last night's result falls squarely with one person, the manager. He took two major gambles in close season. Resigning Kisnorbo and taking on this keeper. Coventry was bad but he should have been dropped after Posh away because he cost us both goals. Kisnorbo has gone, end of conversation. >> >> Howson has become invisible since talk of extending his contract began and Clayton was totally ineffective last night. Not one player would get above 5 for last night's performance and I was surprised we did not start last night with the 11 that finished the games against cardiff. Pugh is useless. >> >> We need a keeper for Sunday because after the 1st goal last night we lost the plot. >> >> Regards >> >> Phill >> >> MOT >> >> >> >>> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:50:43 +0000 >>> From: david.nat...@btinternet.com >>> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org >>> Subject: [LU] Blackpool report >>> >>> It can really be summed up in one word - Rachubka ! We had a serious talk on the way back with a few long time Leeds fans and we decided that it was indeed the worst performance by a keeper in our lifetime. The only ones that come close were Lukic v Arsenal (another 0 5 defeat) and Day v Barnsley when we lost in our promotion season (cannot remember exaclty what he did I just recall him being booed when he took goal kicks at the end)After a slow start there came 2 incidents which decided the game - their keeper spilled the ball and it fell to Kisnorbo who failed to score. Soon after a regulation shot was parried by Rachubka and fell to Lua Lua who tapped it home. What little confidence Rach had in himsef or the fans had in him evaporated at that point.- this was illustrated soon after when Rach spilled a simple gather and catch , it again fell to a striker whose shot hit Lees - at the time I though Lees was unlucky, but watching it again he deliberatley >>> handled it and stopped a certain goal , so straight red it was. Rach failed to save the pen but it was taken before Lees had left the pitch and so had to be re-taken. A chance for Rach to redeem himself - if it was he did not take it and the re taken kick again ended in the net. Game over. We were all over the place after that and Blackpools slick passing game tore us apart as we chased shadows for the rest of the half. Things got even worse for Rachubka when he spilled yet another shot and again it fell to the feet of the striker who tapped it home. Half time came and a number of fans left. We wondered whether SG would subject Rach to another 45 mins of hell or bring on the kid. He chose to give Cairns a go and we saw the last of Rachubka for the night and probably for ever. A decent enough keeper but whose confidence was shot after his schoolboy error v Coventry - playing for Leeds just too much for him ?Second half we really went for a bit and did >>> play with some pride and gave it a real go but it was never going to happen. Then with 15 or so minutes left a goal against the run of play as Lua Lua lashed it past Cairns to make it 4 and a few minutes after they cut through our tiring defence and it was 5. Cue anoither mass exodus of fans. However those who did stay then did the team and themselves proud with a rousing waccoe and other songs, totally drowning out the Blackpool fans who looked on in stunned silence. >>> If only we could get behind the team that well at the start of the game.It is hard to look beyond Rachubka and his performance but on the down side it was another blank for McCormack and I thought Keogh had his worse game for us. On the up side Kisnorbo looked like he was getting back to something like his old self and I thought Becchio looked lively when he came on - he won a few headers and linked play well.A very bad day at the office and only time will tell whether there will be any long term consequences. I expect SG will get another keeper on loan ( a lad on the bus said he had heard Lonergan himself say he was 4 weeks away from a return) We cannot start with Cairns and I really cannot see how Rachubka can play for us again - a player who looked decent enough in pre season but who fell apart when it counted >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >>> >>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >> > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
