Chris,

I'm no legal expert but in my experience when it comes to sentences being 
handed out for offences connected to football the courts look in the book and 
then just add 150%. And then another 10% cos it's Leeds.

If you had handed off someone outside a pub it would have been a none event, 
because the idiot did it in a football ground on Sky tv he's now the uk's enemy 
no 1. Kirkland made a meal of it in my opinion. It was a hand off not even a 
punch. 

Sent from my iPad

On 20 Oct 2012, at 07:51, Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:

> Morning Mark,
> 
> Whilst this guy is obviously a massive knobhead there is only so much that 
> the Court can do to sanction him. 
> As the theory goes, as he is already serving an ancillary banning order and 
> as he is now technically in breach of this he runs the risk of a max 26 weeks 
> custody for the breach. Any custodial sentence imposed for the breach puts a 
> new 10 year order in place. The football banning order has a maximum length 
> of 10 years, the offender can apply for the order to be rescinded after 
> serving 2/3 of the ban. I have not known of a ban being made for more than 10 
> years as I don't think the statutory instrument allows for extension beyond 
> the maximum. Individual football clubs can impose life bans for supporters 
> attending grounds but I don't know how successful this is or can be.
> 
> As for the assault on Kirkland, this is my personal opinion at this point in 
> time, this may change when charges are laid but I think it will be a Common 
> Assault (section 39, CJA1988), rather than ABH, GBH, etc. as it was at the 
> lower end of the scale, ie, single push no weapons headbutt etc. 
> My guess is that this would be in the region of a Category 2 type assault 
> (scale is 1 to 3, with 1 being the most serious) this brings a sentence into 
> the range of fine to community order, even with others factors included and 
> experience of other assault cases i dont see this as being serious enough for 
> custody.
> 
> Entering the field of play is a fine only.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:44, [email protected] wrote:
> 
>> Twat's a serial offender though - already on a banning order. Courts will 
>> make an example of him surely, and he'll also get a life ban. Something's 
>> wrong if he doesn't.
>> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Briggs <[email protected]>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:37:37 
>> To: [email protected]<[email protected]>
>> Cc: Richard Walker<[email protected]>; 
>> [email protected]<[email protected]>; Nicholas 
>> Armit<[email protected]>; <[email protected]><[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
>> 
>> There are a couple of obvious offences in this;
>> Firstly, entering the field of play. This is normally dealt with by way of a 
>> fine.
>> Secondly, the assault on Kirkland, this is possibly a Common Assault (the 
>> CPS could say different), this can bring a maximum sentence of up to 26 
>> weeks .
>> 
>> If the offender gets custody an ancillary banning order from attending 
>> football matches, travelling on the railways on matchdays is put in place 
>> for 10 years.
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:13, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>>> It does seem to be drilled in to all footballers to hit the deck if 
>>> punched/slapped. If someone did that to you in the street I doubt you'd 
>>> fall down. Not excusing it though. That twat needs 12 months in jail, and 
>>> informing that he'll never see another football match till the day he dies
>>> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
>>> Sender: [email protected]
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:05:40 
>>> To: Nicholas Armit<[email protected]>
>>> Cc: <[email protected]><[email protected]>; 
>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
>>> 
>>> Yep.
>>> 
>>> It's like the world has ended cos of one idiot.
>>> 
>>> I quite liked WRnock's comment - their keeper went down like a sack of 
>>> spuds. 
>>> 
>>> It wasn't even a punch. He'd never make a rugby player.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Nicholas Armit <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Watching in a pub with fellow lister Alan in Michigan. We are both 
>>>> outraged by how shite we are.
>>>> 
>>>> Wasn't Jones the molester from 10 years ago?
>>>> 
>>>> From: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
>>>> To: Ian Murray <[email protected]> 
>>>> Cc: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]>; 
>>>> "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]> 
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:00 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
>>>> 
>>>> The whole interview was about his hatred of Leeds fans. He went further , 
>>>> he had a go at Warnock for waving to the Leeds fans at the end.
>>>> 
>>>> The interviewer said ' so you're judging all Leeds fans by one idiot'
>>>> 
>>>> To which Jones said 'Yes'
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Did he actually say that? What a twat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, "Richard Walker" <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave jones - wanker. We're all vile, animals and should all be banned 
>>>>>> from every ground in the country. From the ex- manager of Cardiff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Mark Tuffey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for 
>>>>>>>> Becchio that was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of 
>>>>>>>> diabolically poor performances. He is just not good enough to take us 
>>>>>>>> forward and I find it so frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 
>>>>>>>> from open play.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Couldn't agree more.
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Wiscoleeds
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