Chris, I'm no legal expert but in my experience when it comes to sentences being handed out for offences connected to football the courts look in the book and then just add 150%. And then another 10% cos it's Leeds.
If you had handed off someone outside a pub it would have been a none event, because the idiot did it in a football ground on Sky tv he's now the uk's enemy no 1. Kirkland made a meal of it in my opinion. It was a hand off not even a punch. Sent from my iPad On 20 Oct 2012, at 07:51, Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote: > Morning Mark, > > Whilst this guy is obviously a massive knobhead there is only so much that > the Court can do to sanction him. > As the theory goes, as he is already serving an ancillary banning order and > as he is now technically in breach of this he runs the risk of a max 26 weeks > custody for the breach. Any custodial sentence imposed for the breach puts a > new 10 year order in place. The football banning order has a maximum length > of 10 years, the offender can apply for the order to be rescinded after > serving 2/3 of the ban. I have not known of a ban being made for more than 10 > years as I don't think the statutory instrument allows for extension beyond > the maximum. Individual football clubs can impose life bans for supporters > attending grounds but I don't know how successful this is or can be. > > As for the assault on Kirkland, this is my personal opinion at this point in > time, this may change when charges are laid but I think it will be a Common > Assault (section 39, CJA1988), rather than ABH, GBH, etc. as it was at the > lower end of the scale, ie, single push no weapons headbutt etc. > My guess is that this would be in the region of a Category 2 type assault > (scale is 1 to 3, with 1 being the most serious) this brings a sentence into > the range of fine to community order, even with others factors included and > experience of other assault cases i dont see this as being serious enough for > custody. > > Entering the field of play is a fine only. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:44, [email protected] wrote: > >> Twat's a serial offender though - already on a banning order. Courts will >> make an example of him surely, and he'll also get a life ban. Something's >> wrong if he doesn't. >> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Briggs <[email protected]> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:37:37 >> To: [email protected]<[email protected]> >> Cc: Richard Walker<[email protected]>; >> [email protected]<[email protected]>; Nicholas >> Armit<[email protected]>; <[email protected]><[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor >> >> There are a couple of obvious offences in this; >> Firstly, entering the field of play. This is normally dealt with by way of a >> fine. >> Secondly, the assault on Kirkland, this is possibly a Common Assault (the >> CPS could say different), this can bring a maximum sentence of up to 26 >> weeks . >> >> If the offender gets custody an ancillary banning order from attending >> football matches, travelling on the railways on matchdays is put in place >> for 10 years. >> >> >> On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:13, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> It does seem to be drilled in to all footballers to hit the deck if >>> punched/slapped. If someone did that to you in the street I doubt you'd >>> fall down. Not excusing it though. That twat needs 12 months in jail, and >>> informing that he'll never see another football match till the day he dies >>> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Richard Walker <[email protected]> >>> Sender: [email protected] >>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:05:40 >>> To: Nicholas Armit<[email protected]> >>> Cc: <[email protected]><[email protected]>; >>> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor >>> >>> Yep. >>> >>> It's like the world has ended cos of one idiot. >>> >>> I quite liked WRnock's comment - their keeper went down like a sack of >>> spuds. >>> >>> It wasn't even a punch. He'd never make a rugby player. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Nicholas Armit <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Watching in a pub with fellow lister Alan in Michigan. We are both >>>> outraged by how shite we are. >>>> >>>> Wasn't Jones the molester from 10 years ago? >>>> >>>> From: Richard Walker <[email protected]> >>>> To: Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]>; >>>> "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:00 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor >>>> >>>> The whole interview was about his hatred of Leeds fans. He went further , >>>> he had a go at Warnock for waving to the Leeds fans at the end. >>>> >>>> The interviewer said ' so you're judging all Leeds fans by one idiot' >>>> >>>> To which Jones said 'Yes' >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did he actually say that? What a twat. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, "Richard Walker" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dave jones - wanker. We're all vile, animals and should all be banned >>>>>> from every ground in the country. From the ex- manager of Cardiff >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Mark Tuffey <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for >>>>>>>> Becchio that was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of >>>>>>>> diabolically poor performances. He is just not good enough to take us >>>>>>>> forward and I find it so frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 >>>>>>>> from open play. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Couldn't agree more. >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Wiscoleeds >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
