I get your pointŠbut in the abstract a trial -- whether civil or criminal
-- is still an exercise in truth finding. The problem is that we are not
all seeing or all knowing.  So there has to be an allowance.

There's also this:  sometimes there is more than one "truth."

Still think we'd be better off going back to camels.

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On 1/10/13 11:36 AM, "leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org"
<leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:18:08 +0000
>From: Chris Briggs <c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk>
>To: dave walmsley <dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk>
>Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>Subject: Re: [LU] Evidence
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>Hmmm, interesting thought/mis-conception about the truth in court, the
>prosecution and defence will tell you on trial day that in the case of a
>criminal trial the standard of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt" or on a
>"balance of probabilities" for a civil matter. The truth doesn't always
>come into it.
>
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>On 10 Jan 2013, at 12:36, "dave walmsley" <dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Dr Mike - re "evidence" - I've just received a Jury Summons today. A
>>timely reminder that even with facts and evidence presented to a court
>>that it needs 12 people to decide what the truth actually is.
>>And here's an interesting question for you:  What happened at the end of
>>the round when Henry Cooper knocked down Muhammad Ali?
>>Most people would probably say that Ali had his glove slashed, giving
>>Ali a few extra minutes to recover whilst his glove was changed. The
>>gospel according to Henry Cooper said it, the gospel according to Harry
>>Carpenter said it ..... everyone who saw it on TV, including my Dad,
>>said that's what happened. It's a story passed down the generations, as
>>I always believed it. Why would Henry, Harry or my Dad lie?
>>However, the "truth", based on the "evidence" of the TV footage actually
>>shows that the glove was NOT replaced, and all Ali got was an extra six
>>SECONDS. But, then again, say the believers, can we really believe the
>>TV footage?
>>Don't know why that trivial thought just sprung to mind, but it's
>>something I occasionally ponder at times like these.....
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