Actually. Fcuk it, who cares what everyone thinks? If you've a foot in either camp you ain't gonna change, do why bother. In the cold light of it all I couldn't care less either way, FAR more importantly: Sheff Wed went above us in the table last night and have hit form ahead of Saturday. AND. Barnsley snook a point at Cardiff.
We. Are. In. Trouble. On 9 Apr 2013, at 14:53, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Well said mate. Totally agreed. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 21:12, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Fairly obvious that a figure like Thatcher was going to produce divergent >> views >> and that is what you get in a democracy and I'm good with that, but I'm not >> prepared to take socio-historical/socio-political lessons about what it has >> been >> like in this country under this woman and her legacy from an ex-pat, of >> what...40 or 50 years, or from someone whose racist views have seen him >> kicked-off this list twice that I can remember. >> >> I grew up in Wakefield in the 80's and saw the effect on the kids and >> families >> around me, it was disastrous and it was deliberate. Unemployment soared and >> all >> the attendant social problems followed. >> >> Some of the major problems we face today are directly traceable back to her >> government - can't get a place on a housing list? You can thank Thatcher's >> sell >> off of the council housing stock and not rebuilding behind that - of course >> it >> is easier to blame immigrants. Can't get decent contract of work (with >> defined >> hours, rather than "zero hours", with proper rates of pay etc) thank the >> government that took on and weakened trade unions, removed legislation to >> assist >> the individual worker and protect them against the whims of bosses, whilst >> simultaneously freeing business owners from their obligations to the workers >> and >> communities they are situated in (if you don't like it I'll take my business >> to >> China where I can employ people for one tenth of what I should pay here, and >> they'll work longer and in worse conditions, but hey that's capitalism for >> you!); we hear that one of the problems that is holding back our current >> recovery is the lack of any manufacturing in our economy...well who got rid >> of >> that then? Apparently it was a "price worth paying"; and of course she was >> party >> to the so-called big bang in the banking industry, the de-regualtion of which >> laid the groundwork for the 2008 collapse and which also sowed the seeds of >> the >> "grasp all I can" society - in fact there was "no such thing as society" - a >> mentality that leaves us with the some of the worst venal aspects of Britain >> today. >> >> I've just heard some ridiculous woman on the radio arguing that she "opened >> up >> democracy in this country by making many millions more shareholders" - arrant >> nonsense, we owned the chuffing things in the first place and shareholding >> does >> not equal democracy. The selling off of many state industries...because the >> market will ensure that the buyer gets the best deal possible. Not really >> worked >> out like that has it, but then it was never meant to. The buyer gets shafted >> as >> the prices soar again and again, bearing no relation to the rate of inflation >> nor to the actual quality of the service that is provided. Buyers are >> trapped in >> an effective cartel of a few big businesses that co-exist reasonably happily >> living off their share of the fat...pensioners and the poor have to chose >> between heating and food. >> >> ...and Labour's shameful failure to put some of this right, is not something >> that I support. >> >> Something historical that cannot be denied is the fact of her being the first >> woman prime minister which is an admirable achievement. She did little for >> other >> women but, in fairness she never set herself as a champion for women. She >> claimed to be a self-made woman; well I know plenty of talented women who >> could >> do a whole lot more with their talents if only they'd had the foresight to >> marry >> a millionaire businessman. >> >> One final personal point, I'm an active trade unionist and I am surrounded by >> hard-working fellow trade unionists and I utterly refute the one-eyed >> anti-trade >> union nonsense written on here in the last couple of days. >> >> I do understand those who say that they don't wish to celebrate the death of >> any >> human, and in most cases I would agree with that view - but in this case, >> fuck >> that, she did more damage to more people's lives and deserves little but our >> scorn. And it will be interesting to see what reaction comes forth from all >> those lifting their skirts in horror at some of the reactions to Thatcher's >> demise when Mandela dies, sometime soon, as seems likely. >> >> Below is a link to a blog written by a former "insider" - an foreign office >> mandarin - he reflects on the Thatcher he knew through work - the last three >> paragraphs are particularly enlightening.<http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
