I'm coming a week late to the party, sorry for that...... First of all I think that Ed is spot on. Cricket has got it right and football hasn't and football needs to swallow its pride (sic!) and copy a winning formula - especially including only invoking VAR if the ref is "challenged" by a team captain for a perceived injustice.
However I'm less in-line (sorry) with Kev's original post, if only because the offside line for Bamford's disallowed goal seems to compare Bamford's T-shirt line to the defender's body line (see the freeze frame on Facebook). So comparing apples to apples, Bamford was not offside! God I hate international weekends :) Damian On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:12 AM Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Agreed completely. > > ________________________________ > From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Ed Morrish < > edmorr...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 2:41 AM > To: guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net <guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org <leedslist@gn.apc.org> > Subject: Re: [LU] VAR for offside > > I feel like the footballing authorities have missed out on a crucial > element of how video reviews work in cricket: umpire’s call. In cricket, > you have to be 100% the umpire got it wrong, not 1% sure they weren’t > right. If Bamford’s goal had been disallowed by the ref, the video would > have upheld that; if it had been allowed, it would also have been upheld - > it’s clearly a grey area, so let the ref do his job. > > (I also think there should be one review per team per half, which you lose > if you challenge incorrectly.) > > Ed. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 10 Nov 2020, at 17:46, Guy Thornton <guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> > wrote: > > > > Oh mighty King of Tonga, I agree with you and I did say I didn't blame > the ref who was 'only following > > orders'. > > Okay, he was following the latest interpretation of those who must be > obeyed on on deciding what is > > and what is not offside with VAR. Whether it was Lineker and friends who > helped get the new > > interpretation I don't know but something needs to be done to sort this > out. I'm not against VAR, a > > contaire, but there's been some mighty silly decisions made. Forget who > it was but I remember a > > player with his back to the one kicking the ball, arm by his side but > the ball hit it and wham, a foul. > > On offside what happened to being in an offside potion but not > interfering with play? > > guy > > > > > > > > On 10 Nov 2020 at 17:06, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) wrote: > > > > I'm actually pro VAR, but just can't believe what a pigs ear the > officials make of applying it. Firstly they > > don't have to use the lines. They are not used in Rugby replays to > determine forward passes. > > > > If they must use the lines then Offside is offside, whether by a foot or > a yard (Or a few millimetres). > > The forward already gets the advantage that he can be level (if that is > even possible anymore). > > > > The idea that a player's arm can put them offside is patently > ridiculous. 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