What a result- keeps Marsch in a job , though a defeat v Bournemouth could change that, and to be fair he deserves his chance. The players seem to be behind him and that could be all we need to stay up. I WhatsApped my mates just before kick off saying I had no optimism and worse no enthusiasm for the game. Later I even slagged off Summerville saying he was struggling to make an impact and was worried about him- brilliant in u23s etc but not good enough at thus level. I criticised keeping him on when Harrison got pulled ! Perhaps sometimes the manager does know better than me ? Really pleased to see him score and hope it really kick starts his first team career, he does have something about himGnonto also impressed, I loved the way he rolled Milner, and it was a decent ball in. He looks composed and could be a decent impact sub in the coming weeks. Despite 2 in 2 I just don't get Rodrigo but we have no real option when Bamford looks so out of sorts- he needs a tap in a la Rods goal. Overall great result BUT we need to build on it, we totally failed to build on the Arsenal performance. It is no coincidence that our best ( only ?) good displays have been v the better sides - Chelsea, Arsenal and liverpool. We are good at the counter press / attack but struggle to break down teams set up to stifle us. Until this is sorted we are going to struggle and we cant possibly rely on getting results against the top teams Still that is nit picking after a great performance and wonderful result. Finally what is the score with Summervilles teeth ???? Makes klopp gnashers look real Dave On Sunday, 30 October 2022, 11:31:42 GMT, Robert Heath <heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: My take is that Meslier did not call...........Cooper was watching the ball and expecting to nod it back to the keeper when the latter suddenly appeared in the corner of his eye............all he could do was divert the ball away from danger as best he could.
Anyway.............all pretty irrelevant in the context of a GREAT performance. I think one of the most telling images were of the hugs Marsch got from Roca & Kristensen at fulltime. They really do seem to be all in this together. Harrison though..............needs dropping when Sini is fit again. On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:06 AM <bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Cooper headed the ball back into our own box, with insufficient power to > go into touch, taking our goalie out of the game, requiring a goal line > clearance from Struijk, but that was Mesliers fault?? Meslier would simply > have headed it clear without Coopers interjection! > > But yes, apart from the 2 f*** ups that almost cost us goals, Cooper did > ok ;-) > > > On 30 Oct 2022, at 09:33, Robert Heath <heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That horrible moment in the first minute was Man of the Match > Meslier's fault, and Cooper actually dealt with the situation very well. > The 2nd blunder..........well yeah that was a blunder. But apart from that, > esp in the 1st half, Cooper was excellent. > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM John Lee via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> All the talk about Gomez’s backpass being the fault for the first goal, >> but what was Virgil Billy Big Bollox Van Dijk doing - Rodrigo ran straight >> past him - Van Dijk was half asleep. >> >> The one thing I take from that game, regardless of the luck, Mesliers >> saves etc, is that the players clearly buy into Marsch’s ‘vision’. Whilst I >> remain to be convinced about this ‘style’, the players played out of their >> skins yesterday, and Marsch kept repeating we, we, we! I think eventually, >> with all his tinkering, he will settle on his favoured starting xi? >> In Cooper we have one of those players who makes us look more solid, but >> always has a f*** up in him - 2 yesterday - what was he doing in the 1st >> minute, and his bambi impression later was embarrassing. Struijk would be a >> much better centre half, but then that brings Firpo back into the equation, >> which isn’t a good thing imho. >> >> Beat Bournemouth and we can have a few weeks looking at the league table >> without fearing the worst? >> >> >> >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 01:03, Alec McQueen <alec...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan >> > A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it >> wasn't >> > working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few >> > games. >> > And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the >> > difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a >> > decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were >> > not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they >> > underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. >> > Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than >> > ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people >> > think. >> > But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM >> > knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... >> if >> > we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half >> > teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few >> > weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the >> > relegation slots.... Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them >> > could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think >> > anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, >> > Bournemouth, and Wolves. >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef >> > <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: >> > >> > Even more so tonight ;) >> > _______________________________________________________________ >> > >> > From: Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM >> > To: seanscr...@aol.com <seanscr...@aol.com>; leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; heathpalai...@gmail.com >> > <heathpalai...@gmail.com>; alec...@gmail.com <alec...@gmail.com>; >> > Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > >> > They are now. >> > Nick >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef >> > <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: >> > Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as >> > great as after Chelsea or Arsenal >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Leedslist <[1]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of >> > seanscribe--- via Leedslist >> > Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 >> > To: [2]leedslist@gn.apc.org; [3]heathpalai...@gmail.com; >> > [4]alec...@gmail.com >> > Cc: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > Dave, >> > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy >> of >> > a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a >> > failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and >> > closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our >> failure >> > of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone >> > penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, >> > and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds >> > United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham >> > Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window >> > that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The >> club >> > has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the >> > desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's >> > no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on >> > having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a >> > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four >> > players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and >> > Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form >> I >> > would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that >> > position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his >> team >> > selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B >> (hmmm, >> > where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame >> > him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the >> window. >> > I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in >> > recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his >> > pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had >> gone >> > our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also >> > realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On >> > the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are >> ready >> > to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight >> > league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. >> > Cheers! >> > Sean >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nattan--- via Leedslist <[6]leedslist@gn.apc.org> >> > To: Robert Heath <[7]heathpalai...@gmail.com>; Alec McQueen >> > <[8]alec...@gmail.com> >> > Cc: Leeds List 2010 <[9]leedslist@gn.apc.org> >> > Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault >> > that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a >> > penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, >> > Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and >> > that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we >> > are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner >> > and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the >> > fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are >> > still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his >> > fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get >> > nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means >> our >> > opponents always have a chance. >> > We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal >> > and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things >> are >> > looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of >> > good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I >> > really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on >> > on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go >> > behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager >> > who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom >> > sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to >> > stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , >> > hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with >> > McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson, >> > dont recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember for >> > sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I >> > chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I >> > say at ,east in my head "out" >> > Tricky times at ER >> > Dave On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen >> > <[10]alec...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new >> team, >> > a new squad, a new playing style... I think it is clear to see that he >> > is not yet happy with what is happening on the pitch... we need to >> give >> > this guy a chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable >> > of, our problem seems to be consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn't >> > working. >> > wha >> > I am not saying I think JM will come good and all will be well, I also >> > have my serious doubts, but I think 10 games into the season is too >> > early to be throwing out the coach and starting again. And it is not >> > all JM's fault... we clearly needed a proven striker and a left back >> > and we didn't get them. >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> On 21 Oct 2022, at 22:33, Robert Heath <[11]heathpalai...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Yeah, but to be fair to marsch (which I am not that inclined to be, >> >> but..........) several of those "Ls" under Bielsa were 0-6, 0-7, 0-4 >> > etc. >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:44 AM John Lee via Leedslist < >> >>> [12]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Bielsa's last 7 games in charge = WLDLLLL (4 points) >> >>> >> >>> Marsch's last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) >> >>> >> >>> Just copied from another site! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Leedslist mailing list >> >>> Info and options: >> >>> [13]https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> >>> To unsubscribe, email [14]leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >>> >> >>> Find us on Facebook [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >>> >> >>> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! 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