----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Cundell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Am I Evil Personified?


> Pete Cass asked:
>> Explain what Bates has done Illegally?
>
> Pete, I can't possibly say that he has done anything illegally - he may 
> well
> have done nothing illegal.
> He, and his friends, have threatened to liquidate my club - but that isn't
> actually illegal.
>
>>
>> From my remote outpost, he has
>>
>> Entered Administration
>
> Correct, some question whether he actually had to or whether he engineered 
> a
> position in which he could - if it's the latter I hate him for that too.
>
>> Won a CVA agreement with over 75% creditors accepting it
>
> With an extremely small offer that both HMRC and the FL voted against and
> where the majority of the voters were his acquaintances - in fact, up 
> until
> xmas Astor owned FSF who owned LUFC - but they don't anymore - Bates and
> Taylor say so.
>
>> Placed the club in the hands of the Administrators again, after folks
>> couldnt accept he won the CVA
>
> HMRC challenged the CVA for what they consider to be irregularities, it 
> may
> be that they consider the granting of a debenture to Astor prior to their
> winding up petition as a tad convenient and wish to question it's 
> legality.
> They may also wish to question the transferring of debt from Krato and FSF
> to Astor prior to Administration too.
>
>> Placed a closed bid in an auction of the club
>
> His was a closed bid but as his friends Astor were the biggest creditors
> were the other bids so equally closed?
>
>> Presumably won the auction with the highest bid
>
> That is a big presumption and from what I can gather this was not as clean 
> a
> deal as it would be if I was buying a car off you, for example. The
> administrators have said this week that the Bates' deal offered the best
> chance of creating the exceptional circumstance that the FL required to
> grant the golden share without a club coming out of administration via a
> CVA.
>
>>
>> Taxman and FL may be well pissed-off with the way he has done
>> it, but there
>> is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL for the FL to be STILL
>> WITHHOLDING the golden
>> share
>
> Yes there is, the FL have never issued the Golden Share to a club exiting
> administration via any other method than a CVA.
> 45 clubs have entered administration since 1992 and every exit has been 
> via
> an approved CVA.
> A club in administration can play football and buy and sell players for up
> to 18 months.
> A club out of administration with a CVA gets it's golden share back.
> A club out of administration but without a CVA is not legislated for, it 
> may
> even not be recognised - but that's just my opinion.
> It's not me who makes the rules, by the way - and this is just how I
> interpret them.
> Cheers
> Paul


As you say Paul - he has done nothing illegal, so why are they preventing us 
building a squad (and I kinda think we might need more than 20 in a LU 
Squad) - or do you still think KPMG havent submitted all the paperwork they 
need to???

What has happened is bates has fupped them over, and their little 
self-important rules havent a precedent on how to deal with this, so they 
are doing what most beaurocracy's do - nothing!!!

Last question - Why arent I reading about EVERY MP in Yorkshire writing to 
the FL to pressure LUFC getting the "Golden Share:" back?? Has the sun waned 
on their 15 mins of fame


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