> The fact that:
> a) The majority of this supposed 27 million debt was with Astor (i.e. the
> debt didn't actually exist), and

What????  The debt didn't actually exist????  Are you anti-ists just making 
up the reality as you go to support your pre-given assumptions?  I can 
guaranty that KPMG is not going to risk their professional reputation by 
allowing a creditor to vote based on a debt that does not actually exist. 
If you have any knowledge on how book-keeping works, then you can't just 
randomly create debts.

> b) 7 million of it was with HMRC, who were ACTIVELY helping us with 
> payments
> until Bates decided that he'd jut pop us into Admin.
> Bates thought he could shortcut the whole lot, and he has. The penalty
> is -15points.

I have not seen any statement from the HMRC that they were ACTIVELY helping 
us with payments...  you make it sound like they were even paying part of 
the debts from their own pockets.  HMRC did nothing to help us.  They have 
not even denied what Bates said regarding their policy to challenge the 
preferential creditors rule.  Bates "poped" us into admin because the club 
could not service its' debts.  Especially the HMRC debt.  Even all sold 
season tickets during the season 2007/2008 would not even service half of 
the HMRC debt.  Actually - the club would have to sell close to 2.000 adult 
season tickets just to service the interest rates of the HMRC debt.

The facts are simple.  Leeds (supposedly) United finances have been a mess 
for a long time.  Various owners have tried to postpone calling in the 
administrators because of personal interests (rathers wanting to sell than 
to go into admin and getting nothing of course) and on the hope that 
promotion  would solve all our problems.

Bates took the neccesary steps.  He fought to keep the club alive (probably 
more because of his own interests than ours - but he did it!).  Bates has us 
now in a healthy position.   In my opinion the -15 points are certainly not 
his fault and instead of focusing your hatred and anger towards Bates, you 
should channel it against the HMRC (that prevented us from going through the 
CVA process) and the FL + the chairmen.

Einar. 


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