Michael, I agree with Brownie, if you are going to bring loyalty into the equation then it has to be a level playing field for the comparison, Wise was seemingly on a one year rolling contract, whilst he was persuading the players to stay loyal to him and the club the club didn't do the same by him. I would have been happy to have seen him offered a longer contract after we had decimated the 15 point dis-advantage similar to the extensions offered to Beckford and Kandol.
If Bates can't offer a longer contract to his mate then you have to either question bates' loyalty to Wise or his faith in the manager. Looking at it from Wise's perspective, there was the chance that his contract might not get renewed in the summer, Bates could leave, etc, there are a lot of unknowns between now and the start of next season. If a team 2 divisions above us are willing to pay him treble the salary then he obviously has some talent that has not gone unnoticed and this type of offer would be attractive to anyone. At this moment in time we can't compete either with the salary or the lure of being part of a premiership club. I would have accepted had I been in Wise's position, loyality is a great quality but it doesn't pay the mortgage or make you happy and can sometimes be mis-guided. Cheers Briggsy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr Michael Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:58 PM To: "Martyn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "LUList" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] Wise > I do not agree > The guy got people to take bloody big risks in the Summer. They showed > admirable loyalty. > He kicked them in the teeth. > What he did was explicable but did him a lot of damage. > Just becaue you can explain something amoral does not make it moral. > Normally I would agree wth you. > But this Summer was different. > He demaded and got exceptional loyalty. He in no way repaid it. > Michael > > > On 28/01/2008, Martyn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Get a grip. >> >> Wise was on a 1 year rolling contract. He was probably offered more money >> and a longer contract to go to a Premiership club. He'd be stupid to turn >> that down, whatever the circumstances, he's only human. >> >> There's no loyalty in football, although I guess it was a difficult >> discussion between him and Bates, who he's supposed to be quite close to. >> >> Players are used to change of managers and they've had a ton of >> disruption >> already; having all that shit to deal with last summer and 5 changes just >> a >> couple of weeks ago. >> >> The club will move on, I think Wise knew that his influence was on the >> wane >> given the results over the last 2 months - some people had begun to see >> that >> too. >> >> I don't think he's betrayed the club at all, he stayed with the club >> through >> very difficult circumstances last summer. >> >> >> On 28/1/08 19:36, "Dr Michael Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > All in all confusing. What I cannot figure is why N'Castle need him & >> why he >> > needs them. More to the point what will he and KK do exactly? >> > Maybe he is admitting that he cannot function as a manger & in fact it >> was >> > all Gus Poyet. >> > What really intrigues me is how Milner & Smith will relate to him. >> > My man for the job is Allardyce. Or how about the guy from D'caster >> --who is >> > a Leeds supporter. >> > But who ever comes is going to handle a dressing room in shock and >> feeling, >> > rightly so, betrayed. >> > Top 6 is now a realistic aim. >> > Wise is quite a shit! >> > Michael >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Dr Michael Benjamin, > Psychiatrist > myRay: For peace of mind, > > Free Online Self-Help CBT: http://www.myray.com > Fact Sheet: Emotional Stress: http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com > A Psychiatrist's Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > DELETE THE FOOTERS WHEN REPLYING YOU LAZY SODS!!!! > DELETE THE FOOTERS WHEN REPLYING YOU LAZY SODS!!!! > _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist DELETE THE FOOTERS WHEN REPLYING YOU LAZY SODS!!!! DELETE THE FOOTERS WHEN REPLYING YOU LAZY SODS!!!!
