Rich is right Villa are probably the most fickle fans (other than Boro) in the country but 2 important points,
They are knocking on the door of the top 4, they have a good manager and lots of money Birmingham never have or never will be top 4 or anywhere near that so we will never know what they would achieve. They are a yoyo club whose current rival is West Brom who are considerably bigger than they are historically as are Wolves. Birmingham are about the 4th biggest club in the west midlands -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 04 August 2009 15:01 To: [email protected]; Alan Edgar Subject: Re: [LU] Delph It's no good harping on about what crowds they got in 1986 > - this is the 21st century and football is different now. > >Villa are knocking on the door of the top 4 and are miles bigger than the >yoyo club at St Andrews. Well that depends on your definition of a big club ? and whether or not Villa are only gettting decent crowds (well not that decent - under 40,000 most weeks) 'cos they've got a load of glory hunter fans from Sutton Coldfield that will ditch them as soon as the bad times arrive. If Birmingham were knocking on the door of the top 4 of the premiership they would match Villa for crowds and almost certainly have a bigger away support - they have now ! So you have to look at the hard times when working out whether a club is a big club in terms of its support or not. Perfectly relevant. Would Villa average over 23,000 if in the 3rd division as we are ? Of course not ! --- On Tue, 4/8/09, Alan Edgar <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Alan Edgar <[email protected]> > Subject: [LU] Delph > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 12:35 PM > > > Look, I'm as hacked off as > you (Or anyone else) about this. > > > Delph was the > > > future, he was a player, along with Howson, we > could > > slowly build a team > > > around and move up. But sadly this is the end > game of > > our freefall, > > > financially we've (apparently) bottomed out and > we > > start this season with > > > a reasonable amount of confidence. But > ultimately > > we're a 3rd division > > > football team and the glory days might as well > be > > Medieval history. Fcuk > > > the Champions League, Fcuk Man U and the rest of > them > > up there. WE'RE NOT > > > THERE, and therefore cannot compete. What will he > have > > been offered? > > > ?10-?20K a week? Plus Premiership football, plus > a chance > > > to break into > > > the England team. What can we offer him? > > > Reality Check ... and trust me, it pisses me off > as > > much as it does you. > > ----------------------- > > > Quite a few things wrong with that statement Tim. > > Disagree - very realistic assessment of the situation Tim. > > > First of all, do you think he will get premiership > > football. Do you think he > > is good enough to play week in week out in the > premiership. > > Is he hell and > > will struggle like f*ck and probably end up getting > himself > > injured if they > > play him regularly. So he'll probably sit in the > reserves > > or on the bench > > for most of the season. What good is that to his > career at > > the moment when > > he could be dancing around League Div One players and > > gaining in confidence weekly. > > Could be, or he could easily be a like-for-like replacement > for Gareth Barry. > > > Break into the England team ??? Eh ??? Come on, he's > just > > broken into our > > first team and couldn't even command a regular place > in his > > best position ! > > In which case 6m rising to 7.5 m is superb business - can > you name a player from the 3rd tier who's been sold for > anything like that sum ? > > > As for the old argument that we're a third division > side > > and we need the > > money blah blah blah I just don't buy it. Bates has > said we > > don't need to > > sell. What use is money in the bank to us ? It aint > gonna > > get us promotion > > that's for sure and we certainly won't be able to buy > > anyone who can replace > > Delph. Ok, we can buy back the training ground but > what's > > the use of that if > > we're gonna spend the next 10 years in the 3rd > division. No > > ambition ! > > If Bates pockets the money that's a scandal and we should > get rid of him - assuming it gets reinvested we can buy 3/4 > quality players at League level to replace a bloke who had > lots of potential, but then so did Woods and Taiwo and where > are they now ? > I'm well happy that Chelsea took them off our hands for 5m > the pair. > > > Also, look at Delph. WOuld you rather live in Brum or > Leeds > > ? It's a no > > brainer. Do you want to start talking like a Brummy ? > It'll > > happen. > > Where he lives is far less important than where he works - > as you said, you lived in Brum and without knowing why you > went there it strikes me that Delph has got as least as good > a reason for upping sticks to the West Midlands as you did. > He won't be living in Digbeth on his wage either - leafy > Warwickshire for him no doubt. > > The reality is that if you offered the vast majority of > people a massive wage increase they'd be off like a shot. > > > and Aston f'cking Villa - they're not even the biggest > club > > in Birmingham so it's not that bigger move for him if > you ask me. > > It's no good harping on about what crowds they got in 1986 > - this is the 21st century and football is different now. > > Villa are knocking on the door of the top 4 and are miles > bigger than the yoyo club at St Andrews. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list > administrators accept no liability for the personal views > and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > http://www.worldnet.org.uk WorldNET2009 > _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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