Briggsy, Lord Goodair and myself did resurrect and made a few items. Some of which we have left.
I was unceremoniously bounced of the list following a tirade directed at various ethnic types which Im unable to recall as I was wasted at the time. There are still some mouse mats , Leeds legends, and 66 shirts kicking around ......... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graham Longbottom Sent: 07 January 2010 12:52 To: [email protected]; Leeds List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [LU] Poll (No, not Graham) BTW, since we're doing some list backstory, and lurkers (among which I count myself) are having one of their periodic contributions, what's the status of BDTR? Answers from Rob W in a list-compatible format would be of interest. Perhaps we can/should revive? Graham > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:06:34 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LU] Poll (No, not Graham) > > > > Robert Woodmansey wrote: > > What for? > > > > Id like to do this in public. > > > > You are censoring comedy > > Rob, > > Read the following and if you still can't work it then I'm sorry I can't > help you. > > You are back on moderation. End Of. > > John > > > The Leeds United Email List > www.leedslist.net > > A Guide for List Members > Version 2.0 > > Contents > > 1. About the Leeds List, and how to subscribe/unsubscribe > 2. DISCLAIMER: This is not an official LUAFC service > 3. Copyright Notice > 4. How to make best use of the list > 4.1 Take what you like, and leave the rest > 4.2 The list is as good as we make it > 4.3 Write about others as you would like to be written about yourself > 4.4 Everyone's welcome > 4.5 Abusive/Derogatory Remarks > 4.6 Contentious topics > 4.7 Humour > 4.8 Other words of caution > 5. List admin > 6. List-related activities > 6.1 Leeds United Web Pages > 6.2 List mail digest by Email or WWW > 6.3 Internet Lards - the List Footie Team > 6.4 Meeting before matches, in Leeds and around the world > 6.5 Internet Relay Chat (IRC) > 7. Thanks, briefly, to everyone > > 1. ABOUT THE LEEDS LIST > > The list is for Leeds fans to talk about Leeds United AFC, and football > in general. It's usually a friendly place, and messages are plentiful. > As well as regular discussion about Leeds matches and news, there are > other activities (a list fantasy league, a predictions league, etc.). > Some members often meet up at matches home, away, and abroad. It is very > much a place for Leeds fans - an "electronic kop" as one subscriber put > it - so while fellow whites will feel at home straightaway, fans of > other teams might not be so comfortable. Nevertheless, other fans do > occasionally subscribe, and only if they seek to create trouble are they > ever asked to leave. > > To subscribe: go to www.leedslist.org.uk and go to the section headed > Subscribing to Leedslist. To unsubscribe, go to www.leedslist.org.uk > and go to the section headed Leedslist Subscribers > > 2. DISCLAIMER > > This list is very much a list run for and by Leeds fans; it has no > official connection to Leeds United AFC. The point of this disclaimer is > to place full responsibility for messages which appear on the list > squarely where it should be - with the individual authors. When that is > made clear, then Leeds United, this mailing list, and any institutions > providing mail services can be assured that they are in no way > implicated or associated with extremist, slanderous, or insulting views, > which, regrettably, afflict most electronic mailing lists from time to > time, and football-related lists in particular. By posting to the list, > you are accepting full responsibility for what you write. > > Or, to put all that legally . . . > The Leeds United Unofficial E-Mail List is entirely unofficial: it is > not endorsed or connected with Leeds United Association Football Club, > its servants, or agents in any way. The information and or opinions > expressed whether in document, program or graphic image are the > responsibility of the originator and in no way represent or reflect the > aims or opinions of the Leeds United unofficial electronic mailing list > or its maintainers, Leeds United Association Football Club, Zetnet, or > any other person whether legal or otherwise. No reliance should be > placed upon the information received by the receiving party and neither > the maintainer of Leeds United unofficial electronic mailing list nor > Zetnet shall be under any further obligation or liability in this > respect. No warranty, condition or representation of any kind is made > given or to be implied as to the accuracy of such information or as to > the infringement of third party's intellectual property rights through > the use of such information. > > Legal stuff looks frightening; it's there should anyone need it to > defend themselves. Avoiding controversy, whether on a legal level or not > is quite straightforward, though - check out the sections on How to make > best use of the list. Following those guidelines helps make the list > hassle-free. > > 3. COPYRIGHT NOTICE > > This section formally asserts the rights of the sender of each post. If > you want to use any message elsewhere for any reason, you must negotiate > permission directly with the original sender. This includes holding > messages on a web site, re-printing them in other publications - in > fact, anything other than quoting them on the list (including the list > digest and web digest) itself. > > Most people are very happy when someone wants to use their work > elsewhere, but it's basic courtesy to ask first. The formal copyright > notice below gives the option of full legal redress to any sender who > believes their work has been misused. If things get serious. > > All rights reserved. No part of any of the messages may be reproduced or > transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, > including photocopying, recording, or any information storage or > retrieval system without the prior permission of the authors, except > insofar as is reasonably necessary for the purposes of electronic > quotation and discussion arising on the [email protected] > mailing list. The rights of such authors is hereby asserted and shall be > deemed to be protected without the need of further notice or warning. > > Should the name and or means of contacting the Copyright owner be > unclear please contact the listowner. > > Trouble can easily be avoided of course - simply consult the original > sender if for any reason you want to re-use their message. > > 4. HOW TO MAKE BEST USE OF THE LIST > > The disclaimer, and the comments which followed it may seem excessive, > maybe even making you wary of posting. It should be stressed that these > things have to be said for the relatively few occasions when discussion > on the list has got out of hand. The guidelines which follow should help > you to enjoy the list, and keep it a reasonably happy place to be. > > 4.1 Take what you like and leave the rest > > There are hundreds of people on the list. About a quarter post to it > from time to time, so it's inevitable that you will enjoy some postings, > and detest others. If there's a string of messages you don't like, just > delete them instead of getting steamed up. Concentrate on the stuff you > enjoy. > > 4.2 The list is as good as we make it > > If you don't like what you're reading, then write something else, the > sort of thing you would like to see. Sometimes it's the most opinionated > who do all the talking, which covers up what many others think. Don't be > afraid to express your views - you will find others who agree with you. > There is no official "list view" on any topic, so the mail posted > consists of whatever each member decides to send, no more and no less. > Overseas readers, and those away from Leeds, appreciate local news > items, and especially match reports. Write when you can, if you want to. > > 4.3 Write about others as you would like to be written about yourself > > To avoid the hassles which have occasionally afflicted the list, and > given rise to the scary tones of the disclaimer and bits of this intro > file, be careful what you write. When you write about players and club > officials, and others on the list, remember they are people just like > you, and try to treat them with the respect you would like given to you. > Ultimately, if abusive posting becomes excessive, the good name of Leeds > United, and the continued existence of the mailing list, is put at risk. > > 4.4 Everyone's Welcome > > Everyone's welcome, whether they've been Leeds fans since birth, have > just joined up, or are somewhere in between. Please be patient with the > questions newcomers to both Leeds United and the mailing list come up with. > > 4.5 Abusive/Derogatory remarks > > Generally, conversation on the Leeds list is carried out in a humorous, > good-natured way. Occasionally, though, goodwill between some people > breaks down, and these guidelines have evolved from the list's > experience in the past. It may seem a bit heavy, but it's there for the > few occasions when the good humour runs out, for whatever reason. > Everyone, no matter which team they support, is asked to keep > personal/abusive/racist messages off the list completely; otherwise > discussion is entirely free and open. > > Writing to provoke extreme reactions is not what the list is for: > newsgroups like alt.flame or talk.bizarre should be used for that > purpose, and the Leeds list kept for friendly discussion about Leeds > United. This includes replies to abusive messages: if you must flame, > don't write to the list, but direct to the individual concerned. It's > wrong to think that you can post absolutely anything you like about > players, officials, and others from Leeds United or any other club. > Derogatory and abusive remarks can, and sometimes do, reach the eyes and > ears of those about whom they were made. Even if they don't, many list > members find them offensive in the first place. > > Incidentally, the terms "derogatory and abusive" have nothing to do with > so-called "Political Correctness" (PC). PC is the laboured use of > euphemisms to describe ethnic groups and the disadvantaged; abuse > consists of serious insults, flaming, and racial or personal slurs. Tact > and friendly courtesy, not PC, is all that's needed to keep most list > members happy; abuse, however, remains unacceptable. > > On very rare occasions, people have been removed from the list for going > against these guidelines in a BIG way (only three in over three years, > thankfully). This is done to safeguard the continuation of the list. The > site administrator of such people is informed about the reasons for the > removal. > > 4.6 Contentious topics > > There are a few topics which, if handled insensitively, can end up in > ugly flame wars: please be aware of this, and write in ways that don't > insult and abuse others. > > The ethics of the manager and the board: all too often, discussion on > this topic degenerates into slanging matches. Please avoid raising the > subject lightly (after every match report, transfer deal, or whatever), > since the arguments for and against have been aired so frequently that > there is rarely much new or enlightening to be added, and cheap > point-scoring by either side gets irritating. > > What makes a real fan: Everyone has their own ideas about what makes a > true fan or supporter, but no one can expect their ideas to be shared by > others. Leeds fans from Yorkshire are naturally especially proud, but > there are people all over the world who are Leeds and proud of it every > bit as much. As far as the list goes, if you've got a positive interest > in Leeds United you're welcome to join, whether your interest is recent > or long-standing, active or relaxed, home or abroad, going to games or > gazing at the telly from your armchair, watching Look North or listening > to short wave radio at strange hours of day and night. > Watching More Games: If you see more games than others use your > knowledge to back up your opinions and help keep the list well-informed, > rather than putting people down for being uncommitted or ignorant. If > you don't see many games for whatever reason, respect the views of those > who do when they use their insights helpfully. Insights can be gained > watching the match at the ground or on television. Insights and > comparisons from the past can also be instructive: many people have been > intensive supporters at different times of their lives, and can supply a > great deal of knowledge and information. > > Commitment to Leeds United: Measuring commitment to the cause is > difficult, and on this list with members local and worldwide, it's > fairly pointless. One trip to Elland Road from the USA can cost as much > as a season ticket in the kop for a local fan: which supporter is the > more committed? Not everyone can make it to the ground week in week out, > but their interest and concern about the club can be every bit as great > as someone who has the good fortune to attend regularly. > > In general: Many people become more interested and active in their > support of Leeds United as a result of subscribing to the list: use it > to encourage this increased enthusiasm and interest, and help ensure > that this trend continues! > > 4.7 Humour > > A lot of humorous comments are posted to the list (thankfully), but in > some cases the humorous intent isn't always clear. When you make a > subtle joke, please make this absolutely clear when you write - a lot of > misinterpretation can arise because words which would have been spoken > with laughter have been coldly transferred to type, with no clues as to > the real motivations of the writer. Use "smileys", even if you think > you're way too cool for that :-) or add comments at the end to diffuse > any possible bad feeling. Don't use humour as a cheap way to express anger. > > 4.8 Other words of caution > > A mailing list is more like a newspaper than a pub: offhand comments on > a mailing list may not be so quickly forgotten, or as readily > overlooked, as those made when having a pint. Even if the comments are > innocuous, or at worst badly expressed, they can take on totally > unintended significance when relayed, possibly out of context, to other > people. Please be careful what you type, for your own sake, and for the > sake of the list. > > 5. LIST ADMIN > > 5.1 Important addresses > > There are three addresses you need to know about: > > [email protected] is where you send mail for everyone to read. > www.leedslist.org.uk is where you carry out administrative tasks for > your Leeds list subscription. > > [email protected] gets you in touch with the list owner if you need > someone's help using the list or the web page interface. > > 5.2 Posting to the list: > > General advice: > > 5.2.1 Anybody can subscribe to the list, and you must be a subscriber if > you want to post messages to it. To join or start a discussion, send a > message to [email protected] > > 5.2.2 The REPLY command on your mailer may be set up to send a reply to > the sender of the message and nobody else; messages sent from the list > will tend to be configured to cause this to happen in order to avoid the > technical problems bounced mail can cause. To reply to the list, make > sure you specify [email protected] as the intended recipient. > > 5.3.3 The prefix LU: is added automatically in front of the subject of > each message to help everyone sort out Leeds mail from the boring stuff. > If you send a message not specific to the subject of Leeds United, > please add the prefix NON to help those who want to delete non-Leeds > mail without reading it. Other subject prefixes can be used, such as FFL > and PL for the Fantasy Football League and Predictions League. > > 5.3 Please conserve bandwidth > > A discussion list is obviously for discussion, but sometimes people send > things pointlessly. There is a need to avoid unnecessary mail for three > reasons. One is the strain the list places on the mail-handling > machines. Another is the fact that many subscribers have to pay to > download all their list data, or wade through a lot of unnecessary mail. > The third is that many subscribers' mail boxes overflow when too much > mail comes their way. > > 5.4 Posting Netiquette > > As far as normal list mail goes: > > 5.4.1 Please leave out long signature files at the end of your message > 5.4.2 Please quote only the bit of a message you're replying to - don't > include the whole message. > 5.4.3 Please keep to the subject of Leeds United and related football > issues. Occasional diversions into other subjects - curry houses, beer, > whatever - are okay (the sign of a happy and healthy list, even) but > don't overdo it! > 5.4.4 Please read all your mail before sending what you think is > up-to-date news: someone may already have sent the information, or even > the article you have in mind. > > 5.5 List problems > > Any other matters regarding the list should be mailed to the address > [email protected] - sometimes people have problems using > the web pages or the list itself which need the help of the list owner. > Please send such requests for help (including getting help to > unsubscribe if you can't do it automatically) to this address. Don't use > the list address; only the list owner can help you. > > 5.6 Email address Problems > > The commonest problem subscribers have is that the email address they > subscribed under changes (sometimes without their knowledge). Any change > in your address (the one given in the From: line in the header of the > mail you send) means that the majordomo software won't recognise you as > a subscriber, and when you try to send mail to the list, you just get an > error message. If the change to your address is permanent, the solution > is to re-subscribe under your new address, and ask the list owner to > remove the old address for you (unless you can remove it yourself). If > the change isn't permanent, or if you have a UK address with a long form > and a short form, the solution is to re-subscribe under your new address > and get the list-owner to put you on the nomail list. That way, you can > post to the list no matter which form your address takes, but you only > receive one copy of each message. > > 5.7 I've stopped getting mail > > Sometimes mail takes a while to reach you. Check first with your systems > people to see if they are aware of any network problems. Otherwise, it > could be that your address has been taken off the list because mail sent > to it has been bouncing. If mail sent to your address starts bouncing > (that is, being returned to the list owner), then after a period of a > few days, the address is taken off the list. This is routine - it saves > the network handling pointless posts, and stops the list owner's mailbox > filling up with bounced messages! > > Reasons why messages bounce include disk quota being exceeded, and > (particularly in the case of commercial service providers) account > owners not reading their mail for a fixed period (often a minimum of 8 > days). At other times, technical problems at your end mean your machine > will not accept incoming mail for a time. > To avoid this problem, please read your mail regularly, and keep a close > eye on your disk quota. Unsubscribe if you go away for a number of days. > Consider the List Digest if regular mail is too much to handle. If you > are removed from the list in this way, just re-subscribe when you can; > it's nothing personal. > > 6. LIST ACTIVITIES > > A number of activities have grown up alongside the list, and a large > number of list members take part in them: you are welcome to join in, > and details are provided below. > > 6.1 Leeds United World-Wide-Web pages > > The World Wide Web is a popular multimedia interface to the internet, > modelled around pages. Each page can contain text, images, sounds and > video clips as well as links to other pages on the internet. There are > quite a few Web pages out there devoted to Leeds United. Check out Jon's > Soccer Page for a fairly comprehensive list www.leedsfans.org.uk. > > 6.2 Leeds United Email Digests and archives > > The number of postings made to the list each day can get as high 50 to > 60, which is too much for some subscribers. To overcome this, there are > two types of digest available: the email digest from > [email protected], and the web digest. > > The Email Digest is a single message containing one full day's post to > the list, sent at noon and midnight each day. > > To join the digest list go to the web pages at www.leedslist.org.uk and > change your subscription settings > > To see the archive go to:http://list.zetnet.co.uk/pipermail/leedslist/ > or on the web at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > 6.3 Internet Lards - the List Footie Team > > The list has fielded a full side - for some reason known as Internet > Lard - for a few friendly games. The first game was arranged by Dave > Walmsley in Leeds, the second by Ade Thomson in Nottingham. Then there > was Euronet 96 where we beat Arsenal, Derby County, and Man U before > going out to QPR. Get in touch with Wiggy via http://tinyurl.com/yszhsp > for more details, including arranging matches. See > www.internetfootball.org.uk for details of the Internet Football > Association. > > 6.4 Meeting before Matches > > Several list members make the effort to meet up before and/or after each > match, home and away. It's always good to put faces to names, and really > get to know people rather than be limited to electronic mail > impressions. By all means come along. > > Increasingly, meets also occur for televised games, at various locations > round the world. Recent gatherings have taken place in Oslo, London, > Brussels, Munich, and Dublin. Such events are usually discussed on the > list, so keep an eye out - and if you don't see anything relating to > your locality, then ask about it on the list, or even arrange something > yourself. > > After home games, some occasionally end up in the Imperial (from the > ground head northish-east for the City Centre, go up the hill alongside > the M621, turn right at the City Evangelical Church traffic lights, and > keep walking up the hill till you get there). Often other arrangements > are made before the match as well. > Meets for away games are usually arranged on the list a few days > beforehand; again, keep an eye out for mail on the subject. If you know > of a suitable away game pub where we can meet, by all means suggest it > on the list, and provide directions. Don't wait for someone else to > propose something! > > 6.5 Internet Relay Chat (IRC) > > Live commentary of Leeds matches is usually broadcast on match days from > the official Leeds United web site. For those who aren't able to use the > official site there is an alternative way to keep up with the action - IRC. > > 6.5.1 About IRC > Internet Relay Chat (IRC) is a system that allows many people, connected > to different servers around the world, to hold a group > conversation/discussion in real-time. By connecting to the #leeds > channel on IRC, you should still be able to follow the game as people > with better RA reception (or those who are able to listen to Radio Leeds > but for some reason aren't at the game) relay the match commentary. > > 6.5.2 IRC Clients > Although you can use IRC with a basic telnet client and a character > terminal, there are several IRC client applications that make it much > easier to use. > Check out http://www.mirc.com/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC > > 6.5.3 Connecting to IRC > Once you have successfully installed and started your IRC client > software, you need to connect to a server (several clients will offer > you a list of servers to choose from). The #leeds channel runs on the > Undernet servers, so pick one of those servers (e.g. > london.uk.eu.undernet.org) and a TCP/IP port number to connect to (IRC > servers usually run on ports 6666-6669: 6667 is usually a good choice). > If your IRC client doesn't come with a list of servers, the mIRC home > page contains a comprehensive list of servers, which networks they are > on and TCP/IP port numbers. Generally it's best to choose a server as > close to your location as possible to minimise network latency. > > 6.5.4 IRC Nicknames > You'll also need to choose an IRC nickname for yourself - the name that > will appear next to any contributions you make (so make it short). Some > list regulars on IRC are OzPete (Peter Castlehouse), OEBL (Oystein), > KiwiKev (Kevin Clarke), Nige (Nigel Sykes) and Dr_Gary. > > 6.5.5 Once you are connected to a server, you need to join a channel > (there are several thousand). You could try scrolling through a dropdown > list that most clients will present you with, but it's easier just to > tell the IRC client software to join #leeds (note that case IS important > - attempting to join #LEEDS or #Leeds won't do you much good). > > 6.5.6 Using IRC > The channel is only generally populated around match times, with people > turning up up to an hour before kick-off and leaving in the half hour or > so afterwards. If you join the channel and there's nobody there, make > sure you're connected to an Undernet server, make sure that you've got > the channel name right - and if you have, just wait for a while - you > should have company shortly. > If you get really bored waiting, you can always join the #funfactory > channel as well, and watch how others communicate! But beware, most > channels are uncensored and therefore open to abuse. > > A word of warning/advice: we are Leeds and proud of it. We invite any > like-minded person to the IRC channel to participate. We do however > police it well, and fans from opposing teams, whilst welcome, must > behave accordingly. It is after all a democratic society we live in, and > viewpoints from both sides are welcome. Abusive participants are kicked > out and banned.... > > 7. THANKS > > Many people have contributed to the list over the years, including > several wonderful list owners since our glorious founder, Gav Burnage > first gave birth to the list in 1992 - we salute you all! Thanks to > everyone who helps with the list now, the volunteers who run things, and > all the people who send mail and make the list what it is. For all its > ups and downs, this is a service a lot of people value, at home and > especially abroad - and that's down to the goodwill of all the list's > members and the volunteers who give of their valuable free time to make > things happen. 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