I'm saying "it's part of the culture" is a weak defence. I'm a big hippy, I
have a mixed-race daughter and I've made friends with people from every
continent, but some things are just shit.

The insane tooting just kills the atmosphere. Singing please!


   Nigel.


On 13 June 2010 19:21, Brian Hamilton <[email protected]>wrote:

>  Nige step back from the keyboard.
>
> Bracketing annoying buzzing noise with a violent deadly practice, time for
> you to get real
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Nigel
> Barber
> *Sent:* 13 June 2010 19:17
> *To:* Tim Leslie
> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected];
> Richard Walker
>
> *Subject:* Re: [LU] A few England thoughts
>
> Get real. Can you not criticise a black man without being denounced as a
> racist?
>
> Those horns are fucking annoying. END OF.
>
> Necklacing was once a vibrant part of South African culture too.
>
>
>    Nigel.
>
>
>
> On 13 June 2010 18:59, Tim Leslie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> FFS ... What next Richy? "Bloody fuzzy wuzzys, they're all cannibals"!?
>> It's part if their culture, it's their world cup. Deal with it.
>> What's more acceptable to the world - a noise that is, admittedly,
>> annoying or The Sun reading, neanderthol, "disagree with me and I'll twat
>> you" yob singing "you're gonna get your fucking heads kicked in"?
>> That's why the world is fucked, America and the likes of us wandering
>> around the globe being all empirical saying "do it our way, or else"
>>
>>
>> On 13 Jun 2010, at 17:34, "Brian Hamilton" <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I'll ignore the troll's hook blaming the whole continent, but really,
>>> think
>>> about it ... this is the World Cup, not the World Cup according to how
>>> Europeans think it should be, but the first on the continent of Africa.
>>>
>>> The vuvuzelas are part and parcel of football (and music) in South
>>> Africa.
>>> Would you ban scarves at Leeds games because the draught they cause when
>>> waved above the head might give you a chill?
>>>
>>> http://www.southafrica.info/2010/vuvuzela.htm
>>>
>>> Personally I think it is bloody great (even if I have gone deaf Andy C
>>> ;-) )
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Richard Walker [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: 13 June 2010 15:41
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Cc: <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] A few England thoughts
>>>
>>>
>>> Because it's fucking annoying . All the things you mention below Brian
>>> didn't fundamentally change the atmosphere at games I.e the crowd were
>>> still
>>> able to show their support and appreciation of their team. This is a
>>> blanket
>>> din that just monopolises the atmosphere , leading to no sense of whose
>>> fans
>>> are actually there - no brazilian drums , no weird chanting, no rule
>>> Brittania no nothing just a load of bees buzzing. Let's face facts this
>>> is
>>> the idea of someone who doesn't understand football supporters. I
>>> wouldn't
>>> have expected anything else from the Africans .
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2010, at 15:29, "Brian Hamilton"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Every World Cup has something that makes it stick in the memory. The
>>> ticker
>>> tape in Argentina, the Mexican wave, the trains on time in Germany ;-)
>>> ...
>>> so why should the vuvuzela be banned?
>>>
>>> Spoilsports
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected]
>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Walker
>>> Sent: 13 June 2010 14:03
>>> To: Michael Benjamin
>>> Cc: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] A few England thoughts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see the African FA are thinking of banning the horns from the grounds
>>> after complaints from spectators and commentators. At last some common
>>> sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
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