I'm also relieved to get my disappointment over and done with so I can now enjoy the rest of the tournament.
On reflection did we honestly expect anything better from the current England team ? Just look at the side who finished against Germany. James, Johnson, Upson, Wright-Phillips and Heskey are hardly out of the premiership top draw. It's not as if we were uniquely crap in this tournament, look at France and Italy. I only hope that Lampard uses this opportunity to retire from international football as it's the only way we'll see the back of him. He's a great player in a good team but goes AWOL when the going gets tough. We're in desperate need of a ball winner in the middle of the park in the mode of a Scholes or an Alan Ball (or Bremner or Giles come to that). My main criticism of the manager is keeping with the Gerrard/Lampard combination that never ever worked when we really needed it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 28 June 2010 12:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Leedslist Digest, Vol 45, Issue 40 Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Leedslist digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Gypsy Rose Levy (Dr. Michael Benjamin. ) 2. Re: Non LU: summerupers ([email protected]) 3. Re: Gypsy Rose Levy (Ed Morrish) 4. Re: Gypsy Rose Levy (Steve Gillen) 5. NON LU: England (hotshotlorimer) 6. Re: Non LU: summerupers ([email protected]) 7. Re: NON LU: England (David Holden) 8. Re: NON LU: England ([email protected]) 9. Re: NON LU: England (Terry Emmott) 10. Re: NON LU: England (John Boocock) 11. Re: NON LU: England ([email protected]) 12. Re: NON LU: England (Andy Clayton) 13. England -what a day (DAVID DOWDEN) 14. Re: England -what a day (Andy Kneale) 15. Re: England -what a day (Tim Leslie) 16. Re: England -what a day (Nigel Barber) 17. Re: England -what a day (Nigel Barber) 18. Very good article from the Graun (Robert Heath) 19. 10 things I have learnt from the World Cup so far (Matt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:16:56 +0300 From: "Dr. Michael Benjamin. " <[email protected]> Subject: [LU] Gypsy Rose Levy To: Leeds <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii England to win in penalties. I was surprised by my guts too. But they are sure of themselves. Maradonna will die of a heart attack in the following game with England. And a loud cry will be heard from the heavens. "now that was the real hand of God". Sent from my iPhone D"r Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatry ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:07:59 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: summerupers To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The very worst is jim beglin Tyldesley & Pleat combo is hard to beat. Unlike England. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:12:08 +0100 From: Ed Morrish <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] Gypsy Rose Levy To: "Dr. Michael Benjamin." <[email protected]> Cc: Leeds <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How much do I have to pay you to make sure that, in future, if you have a "feeling" that a team I like is going to do well, you keep that feeling to your self? You know, given how you're never, EVER right? Ed. On 27 Jun 2010, at 12:16, "Dr. Michael Benjamin. " <[email protected]> wrote: > England to win in penalties. I was surprised by my guts too. But they are sure of themselves. > Maradonna will die of a heart attack in the following game with England. And a loud cry will be heard from the heavens. "now that was the real hand of God". > > Sent from my iPhone > D"r Michael Benjamin > Community Psychiatry > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails away ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:19:59 +0100 From: "Steve Gillen" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] Gypsy Rose Levy To: "'Ed Morrish'" <[email protected]>, "'Dr. Michael Benjamin.'" <[email protected]> Cc: 'Leeds' <[email protected]> Message-ID: <769ea355449c4c5788aa506317c4d...@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You know something? I thought almost exactly the same when I read Mike's prediction - "Oh God, he is ALWAYS wrong, just for once make him be right, but of course...... :-) Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Morrish Sent: 27 June 2010 17:12 To: Dr. Michael Benjamin. Cc: Leeds Subject: Re: [LU] Gypsy Rose Levy How much do I have to pay you to make sure that, in future, if you have a "feeling" that a team I like is going to do well, you keep that feeling to your self? You know, given how you're never, EVER right? Ed. On 27 Jun 2010, at 12:16, "Dr. Michael Benjamin. " <[email protected]> wrote: > England to win in penalties. I was surprised by my guts too. But they are sure of themselves. > Maradonna will die of a heart attack in the following game with England. And a loud cry will be heard from the heavens. "now that was the real hand of God". > > Sent from my iPhone > D"r Michael Benjamin > Community Psychiatry > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails > away _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails away ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:20:28 -0400 From: "hotshotlorimer" <[email protected]> Subject: [LU] NON LU: England To: "Leeds List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <28d1c345b1c84b0c97428e0a3cf08...@adrianhppc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, that was pretty interesting. I know there are many of you out there that don't give a shit, but I just needed to get this of my chest and frankly sitting here, at "home", in Atlanta, on my own with only the dog to kick, I really need to vent a bit. I'm cutting a lonely figure, in my England shirt, sat on the couch (decided not to go to the pub today) in 90 degree heat with no-one on the street interested in the game. I'm not sure how those of you that don't care about England have managed to do that, but in a way I'm envious. I wish I could do the same. The older I get the more that I realize that the heartbreak is inevitable, and perhaps you have done the same and just given up. I keep thinking that I can take a passive, indifferent point of view, but when it actually comes down to it I really can't seem to do that. I do GET the idea of not wanting to cheer on Rooney, Terry etc., but....well, I guess I haven't made it to the same place as some of you, yet. On to the game. Frankly the score is a little odd. I really think that the Germans (perhaps because of their youth) are in fact, vulnerable. That may sound strange given the outcome, but they don't look the self-assured, unbreakable teams of the past. On the other hand England look EXACTLY what they are, which is a bunch of less than talented individuals. Gareth Barry is just NOT an international quality player in my eyes, and players like Terry, Upson, Lampard, Heskey and Milner are simply good Premiership players who are all too slow and all nowhere near good enough to compete at the very highest level. Terry can hide it a little in as much as he can play with his heart on his sleeve and physically push a few people around, but him against the best in world? No contest. Obviously the first goal was juvenile and unforgiveable, and I thought that on the second and third goals James could have done better. As for Lampard's goal it's odd (again), because much less will be made of it that should be (since the score ended up the way that it did) but games can turn on such decisions and this one certainly did. The two goals that Germany scored in the second half seemed to be tactical errors by England. It's almost as if we had thrown caution to the wind in last ditch effort to get an equalizer when there was still 20 minutes left. Capello may have some explaining to do, or perhaps it was just horrible execution on the pitch, as Barry was certainly at fault for the third when he lost it on the edge of their box and the fourth when Ozil (who was VERY quiet) out ran him (it was Barry, wasn't it?). As for Terry's and Upson's shortcomings (which are many), it doesn't exactly help when the midfield is almost totally absent defensively in front of them. It may be that Steven Gerrard's England career is about to come to a conclusion and it's a travesty that because of Lampard he has played out of position for England for so long. Glen Johnson is not particularly good but had a decent tournament I thought, Ashley Cole the same. Heskey is fine as long as you want him to do NO more than hold the ball up. Defoe looked lively without ever really threatening the goal. Teams with players like England have, CAN overcome the odds IF someone like Rooney does a few special things. Obviously Rooney did NOTHING in the four games he played and he looked injured, tired and frustrated. Frankly, he plays with better players on a weekly basis than he does when he gets together with England. Maybe is not really that good. Maybe the Premiership isn't really that good. The one saving grace (THANK GOD) is that we didn't lose to the US, and they have been knocked out. The number of totally asinine conversations that I have had to put up with in the last few weeks has been pushing me to the edge. The country here can now go back to normal, i.e. not giving a shit about the most beautiful game in the world. I don't know, all highly predictable really and I feel better for writing this. Adrian Dingle Atlanta Whites ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:21:30 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: summerupers To: [email protected], [email protected], "Leeds List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <583513419-1277655802-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721409308 [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Spot on! Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:07:59 To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: summerupers The very worst is jim beglin Tyldesley & Pleat combo is hard to beat. Unlike England. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:27:53 +0400 From: David Holden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England To: hotshotlorimer <[email protected]> Cc: Leeds List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Watched in a Pub in Mosciw. Germans were too polite to gloat. Ruskies who hate krauts big time even sided with them. We were appauling in defense. Terry and Upson done for pace time after time midfield chased ball like schoolboys with no shape and the fat grannie molester had the first touch and skill of a JCB. Bloody awful Sent from my iPhone On 27.06.2010, at 20:20, "hotshotlorimer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, that was pretty interesting. I know there are many of you out > there that don't give a shit, but I just needed to get this of my > chest and frankly sitting here, at "home", in Atlanta, on my own > with only the dog to kick, I really need to vent a bit. I'm cutting > a lonely figure, in my England shirt, sat on the couch (decided not > to go to the pub today) in 90 degree heat with no-one on the street > interested in the game. > > I'm not sure how those of you that don't care about England have > managed to do that, but in a way I'm envious. I wish I could do the > same. The older I get the more that I realize that the heartbreak is > inevitable, and perhaps you have done the same and just given up. I > keep thinking that I can take a passive, indifferent point of view, > but when it actually comes down to it I really can't seem to do > that. I do GET the idea of not wanting to cheer on Rooney, Terry > etc., but....well, I guess I haven't made it to the same place as > some of you, yet. > > On to the game. > > Frankly the score is a little odd. I really think that the Germans > (perhaps because of their youth) are in fact, vulnerable. That may > sound strange given the outcome, but they don't look the self- > assured, unbreakable teams of the past. On the other hand England > look EXACTLY what they are, which is a bunch of less than talented > individuals. Gareth Barry is just NOT an international quality > player in my eyes, and players like Terry, Upson, Lampard, Heskey > and Milner are simply good Premiership players who are all too slow > and all nowhere near good enough to compete at the very highest > level. Terry can hide it a little in as much as he can play with his > heart on his sleeve and physically push a few people around, but him > against the best in world? No contest. > > Obviously the first goal was juvenile and unforgiveable, and I > thought that on the second and third goals James could have done > better. As for Lampard's goal it's odd (again), because much less > will be made of it that should be (since the score ended up the way > that it did) but games can turn on such decisions and this one > certainly did. The two goals that Germany scored in the second half > seemed to be tactical errors by England. It's almost as if we had > thrown caution to the wind in last ditch effort to get an equalizer > when there was still 20 minutes left. Capello may have some > explaining to do, or perhaps it was just horrible execution on the > pitch, as Barry was certainly at fault for the third when he lost it > on the edge of their box and the fourth when Ozil (who was VERY > quiet) out ran him (it was Barry, wasn't it?). As for Terry's and > Upson's shortcomings (which are many), it doesn't exactly help when > the midfield is almost totally absent defensively in front of them. > It may be that Steven Gerrard's England career is about to come to a > conclusion and it's a travesty that because of Lampard he has played > out of position for England for so long. > > Glen Johnson is not particularly good but had a decent tournament I > thought, Ashley Cole the same. Heskey is fine as long as you want > him to do NO more than hold the ball up. Defoe looked lively without > ever really threatening the goal. > > Teams with players like England have, CAN overcome the odds IF > someone like Rooney does a few special things. Obviously Rooney did > NOTHING in the four games he played and he looked injured, tired and > frustrated. Frankly, he plays with better players on a weekly basis > than he does when he gets together with England. Maybe is not really > that good. Maybe the Premiership isn't really that good. > > The one saving grace (THANK GOD) is that we didn't lose to the US, > and they have been knocked out. The number of totally asinine > conversations that I have had to put up with in the last few weeks > has been pushing me to the edge. The country here can now go back to > normal, i.e. not giving a shit about the most beautiful game in the > world. > > I don't know, all highly predictable really and I feel better for > writing this. > > Adrian Dingle > Atlanta Whites > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list > administrators accept no liability for the personal views and > opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it > sails away ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:36:30 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England To: "David Holden" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "hotshotlorimer" <[email protected]> Cc: Leeds List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <77264924-1277656701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204654225- @bda218.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Lampard only player to emerge with a tiny bit of credit and that is stretching it. Gerrard rooney cole johnson barry upson all utter crp Got to stick with capello. You can't polish a turd! Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: David Holden <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:27:53 To: hotshotlorimer<[email protected]> Cc: Leeds List<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England Watched in a Pub in Mosciw. Germans were too polite to gloat. Ruskies who hate krauts big time even sided with them. We were appauling in defense. Terry and Upson done for pace time after time midfield chased ball like schoolboys with no shape and the fat grannie molester had the first touch and skill of a JCB. Bloody awful Sent from my iPhone On 27.06.2010, at 20:20, "hotshotlorimer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, that was pretty interesting. I know there are many of you out > there that don't give a shit, but I just needed to get this of my > chest and frankly sitting here, at "home", in Atlanta, on my own > with only the dog to kick, I really need to vent a bit. I'm cutting > a lonely figure, in my England shirt, sat on the couch (decided not > to go to the pub today) in 90 degree heat with no-one on the street > interested in the game. > > I'm not sure how those of you that don't care about England have > managed to do that, but in a way I'm envious. I wish I could do the > same. The older I get the more that I realize that the heartbreak is > inevitable, and perhaps you have done the same and just given up. I > keep thinking that I can take a passive, indifferent point of view, > but when it actually comes down to it I really can't seem to do > that. I do GET the idea of not wanting to cheer on Rooney, Terry > etc., but....well, I guess I haven't made it to the same place as > some of you, yet. > > On to the game. > > Frankly the score is a little odd. I really think that the Germans > (perhaps because of their youth) are in fact, vulnerable. That may > sound strange given the outcome, but they don't look the self- > assured, unbreakable teams of the past. On the other hand England > look EXACTLY what they are, which is a bunch of less than talented > individuals. Gareth Barry is just NOT an international quality > player in my eyes, and players like Terry, Upson, Lampard, Heskey > and Milner are simply good Premiership players who are all too slow > and all nowhere near good enough to compete at the very highest > level. Terry can hide it a little in as much as he can play with his > heart on his sleeve and physically push a few people around, but him > against the best in world? No contest. > > Obviously the first goal was juvenile and unforgiveable, and I > thought that on the second and third goals James could have done > better. As for Lampard's goal it's odd (again), because much less > will be made of it that should be (since the score ended up the way > that it did) but games can turn on such decisions and this one > certainly did. The two goals that Germany scored in the second half > seemed to be tactical errors by England. It's almost as if we had > thrown caution to the wind in last ditch effort to get an equalizer > when there was still 20 minutes left. Capello may have some > explaining to do, or perhaps it was just horrible execution on the > pitch, as Barry was certainly at fault for the third when he lost it > on the edge of their box and the fourth when Ozil (who was VERY > quiet) out ran him (it was Barry, wasn't it?). As for Terry's and > Upson's shortcomings (which are many), it doesn't exactly help when > the midfield is almost totally absent defensively in front of them. > It may be that Steven Gerrard's England career is about to come to a > conclusion and it's a travesty that because of Lampard he has played > out of position for England for so long. > > Glen Johnson is not particularly good but had a decent tournament I > thought, Ashley Cole the same. Heskey is fine as long as you want > him to do NO more than hold the ball up. Defoe looked lively without > ever really threatening the goal. > > Teams with players like England have, CAN overcome the odds IF > someone like Rooney does a few special things. Obviously Rooney did > NOTHING in the four games he played and he looked injured, tired and > frustrated. Frankly, he plays with better players on a weekly basis > than he does when he gets together with England. Maybe is not really > that good. Maybe the Premiership isn't really that good. > > The one saving grace (THANK GOD) is that we didn't lose to the US, > and they have been knocked out. The number of totally asinine > conversations that I have had to put up with in the last few weeks > has been pushing me to the edge. The country here can now go back to > normal, i.e. not giving a shit about the most beautiful game in the > world. > > I don't know, all highly predictable really and I feel better for > writing this. > > Adrian Dingle > Atlanta Whites > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list > administrators accept no liability for the personal views and > opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it > sails away _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails away ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:55:56 +0100 From: "Terry Emmott" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England To: "'hotshotlorimer'" <[email protected]>, "'Leeds List'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (Snip thoughts) I try not to give a shit about England and only watch friendlies when Leeds or ex-Leeds are involved but in spite of serial disappointments since the euphoria of 1966 I still find myself getting dragged in when it's games that matter. I'm never surprised though when things go pear-shaped and usually the football we play is dire. I am much less tolerant of our short-comings these days than I used to be, bearing in mind the exorbitant sums these wankers are paid to play like shit on a regular basis. I wouldn't mind so much if I didn't know from seeing them from time to time on Match of the Day that they really can play until they pull on an England shirt. We only have one or two (if any) world class players but can sometimes make up for that by our team play or the sheer effort that the lesser players put in. When our supposed world class players (Rooney? Gerrard?) are shite, as they have been this time, then we're fucked. If the ungiven goal had been allowed then it would/could have changed the game. We were caught out on the counter-attack because we were pushing for an equaliser that we wouldn't have needed to have pushed for, and the young German side may have become rattled at having seen a two-goal lead disappear but at the end of the day we got exactly what we deserved. That's no excuse for not having goal-line technology in this day and age though and I'd be saying the same if it had been Germany who'd had the goal disallowed. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:19:43 +0100 From: John Boocock <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 27/06/2010 17:20, hotshotlorimer wrote: > Capello may have some explaining to do, never mind the explaining, does he know the way to Eastgate? The low spot of it all for me was those shitty white lugged specs on a pensioner. If we had wanted the team to have been managed by a spiv we would have contacted El Tel's agent. Jamesy for me was the only one at home and as for Rooney, we wopuld have been better off sending him to Whipsnade as a stand in for the monkey that was desperate to have a fortnight in a chalet at Butlins. FIFA - antideluvian crooks The FA and the FAPL - self seeking tosspots in ill fitting suits Roll on the start of the new season when we can settle down to watching the mighty whites arse about in division 2, at least we know where we are then .................... Betty PS The local populous (ie the Scottische) were very quiet this afternoon, all lawn mowing stopped at 3pm and didn't recommence til well after 6. Fabulous grass cutters the Gaels! ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:30:14 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England To: "John Boocock" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Leeds List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <1843617739-1277663525-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-21168980 [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Still at least the rhinos won! So its not all doom and gloom Top game v warrington. watching on show sports in TRN cyprus Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:38:55 +0100 From: Andy Clayton <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: England To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Being an England fan is nearly as frustrating as being a Leeds fan! I thought James was the only one who looked as though he actually wanted to play, and the only one who came out of the game with any credit. Perhaps Milner too. The thing that frustrated me the most was what was going off in the head of most of our stars when we were broke against. Ambling back to our lines in a slow trot. Only one or two seemed to give a toss. Milner was one that ran and ran. Rooney - not fit, not in form and not interested at all. Reminded me so much of why I didn't like Beckford this season. Was there on reputation only. First touch of a rapist, and was responsible for setting up a good majority of their attacks. My biggest area of frustration had to be with Cappello. Things were obviously not working, so he takes a right sided midfielder off and replaces him with one who is predominately left sided? We are then desperate for ideas up front, so he takes off the more effective of the two strikers and replaces him with a donkey, when he has the most prolific England striker of recent times on the bench. Donkey & Shrek - about sums it up. When he replaced the RB with Wright-Philips, I gave up and went to start the BBQ. He could learn a lot from Larry as to how to make tactical changes and substitutions that actually make a difference. For me he has to go. Why the FA gave him a new contract BEFORE the WC is beyond me. Oh - Blatter - get with the programme - this is 2010, we do have technology available, and every other major sport uses it. Feel better for that :) Andy C ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:18:07 +0000 (GMT) From: DAVID DOWDEN <[email protected]> Subject: [LU] England -what a day To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Before we all start getting in the dumps , lets now forget we actually qualified and got to S.A , in fact we got to the last 16? out of? 200 plus countries at a guess. We really need a coach /manager who is also English ,think we are the only country who goes for someone outside/ at least it was a sunny day and Glastonbury no rain. come on Leeds - Derby / Forest and 6 points - ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:05:52 +0100 From: Andy Kneale <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] England -what a day To: "'LEEDS LIST'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <abbbafc7c8b62247a5ff45668b05e9e709ec397...@emazc220vs01.exchad.jpmchase .net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I actually feel a sense of relief, as if a lame animal has finally been put out of its misery. I now hope to enjoy some decent football played by decent sides. Gaffer This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. 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Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to European legal entities. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:21:19 +0100 (BST) From: "Tim Leslie" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] England -what a day To: "'LEEDS LIST'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I've got the Germans in the sweepstake, so I care not a jot!!!! Actually, would really like to see the Dutch win it, mainly due to their approach to footy and Amsterdams coffee shops ;-) Kom op machtig Holland Herr Stig > I actually feel a sense of relief, as if a lame animal has finally been > put out of its misery. I now hope to enjoy some decent football played by > decent sides. > > Gaffer ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:30:43 +0100 From: Nigel Barber <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] England -what a day To: Andy Kneale <[email protected]> Cc: LEEDS LIST <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Feeling proud of the team would have been great. Let's not forget how we felt after beating Man U in the Cup. But the England played like dead men walking, so this inevitable was a huge relief. To me, all the players seemed miserable as fuck - noone looked to be enjoying the experience. The most obvious answer is that the players don't get on, or that they're missing a lynchpin figure to unite them. Stripping Terry of his captaincy to appease the tabloid rent-a-mob was a huge mistake, and smacked of outside interference. As Gary Lineker sagely opined, "No doubt the story will come in an autobiography 18 months from now." Nigel. On 28 June 2010 09:05, Andy Kneale <[email protected]> wrote: > I actually feel a sense of relief, as if a lame animal has finally been put > out of its misery. I now hope to enjoy some decent football played by > decent sides. > > Gaffer > > > > > > This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not > intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of > any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any > transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not > warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change > without notice. 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Thank you. > > Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for > disclosures relating to European legal entities. > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails away > -- blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ www.concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 [email protected] www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:32:00 +0100 From: Nigel Barber <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] England -what a day To: Tim Leslie <[email protected]> Cc: LEEDS LIST <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But if the Dutch win there'll be nowt left to smoke for years! Nigel. On 28 June 2010 09:21, Tim Leslie <[email protected]> wrote: > I've got the Germans in the sweepstake, so I care not a jot!!!! > Actually, would really like to see the Dutch win it, mainly due to their > approach to footy and Amsterdams coffee shops ;-) > Kom op machtig Holland > > Herr Stig > > > I actually feel a sense of relief, as if a lame animal has finally been > > put out of its misery. I now hope to enjoy some decent football played > by > > decent sides. > > > > Gaffer > > > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails away > -- blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ www.concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 [email protected] www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:05:06 +0200 From: "Robert Heath" <[email protected]> Subject: [LU] Very good article from the Graun To: "Nigel Barber" <[email protected]>, "Tim Leslie" <[email protected]> Cc: LEEDS LIST <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" There was no golden generation after all. But let us be generous, for once, and say without irony that a bunch of gifted footballers finally disappeared into a Free State sunset last night. Although their deeds in the shirt of the national team may never have matched their promise, what they accomplished in the colours of some of the world's biggest clubs certainly validated their authenticity as individuals. If they failed to bring home the expected trophies from international tournaments, at least they gave us plenty to talk about. The truth is that they had been slipping away, one by one, for some time before the end came last night. The first of the core members to take his leave was Paul Scholes, whose disillusionment led him to retire from international football after the 2004 European Championships. Next went Michael Owen, his England career ended by an inability to persuade Fabio Capello that his full effectiveness had been restored after a series of debilitating injuries. The third was David Beckham, who had regained the coach's trust but whose Indian summer was ruined by an achilles tendon injury in March. Then Rio Ferdinand was abruptly excluded from participation in the 2010 World Cup by a twisted knee in a training session eight days before England's opening match. Now, following yesterday's defeat by Germany, the chances are that we have also seen the last of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard at a major international competition. Both can look forward to years of useful life at club level but their lease on an England shirt has expired and whoever picks up the threads left by Capello will need to be thinking in terms of a fresh start. Gerrard and Owen are 30, Lampard and Ferdinand 32, Beckham and Scholes (whom Capello, at his wits' end, tried to recall) 35. They made their senior international debuts between 1995 and 2000 and share an aggregate of 421 caps, which would have been many more but for injuries, a long suspension and Scholes's self-imposed exile. In football terms they are now senior citizens. Advances in kinesiology and other fitness sciences mean they will be with us for a while yet but no longer as the standard bearers for a perhaps unwisely expectant nation. Together they symbolised England's hopes of turning the Premier League's astonishing global popularity into a second World Cup trophy in the FA's cabinet. At the start of their journey they were young, gifted and ? with the exception of the admirably stubborn Scholes ? hugely marketable, but now it can be seen that their pinnacle probably came that sunny late afternoon in Shizuoka, when they faced Brazil in the quarter-finals of the 2002 tournament in front of 47,436 spectators whose replica shirts were divided equally between the white of the European side and the yellow of the South Americans. The vast majority of those fans were Japanese, and the ones who had elected to support England were, almost to a man, woman and child, wearing the names of Owen or Beckham inscribed on their backs. Those old enough to remember the Beatles' impact on Japan, almost 40 years earlier, identified a similar popular culture phenomenon. Owen gave England the lead and in that moment they seemed fully the equals of the best side in the world. Had Beckham or Scholes succeeded in preventing the move from which Rivaldo scored the equaliser or had Ronaldinho's audacious free-kick not been allowed to dip under David Seaman's crossbar, history might have been very different. After that defeat the climate changed. Anticipation was no longer untainted by apprehension. At home the excitement grew greater every time they set off for a World Cup but underneath it was a feeling that disappointment would not be far away. The fans believed, and did not believe. They were prepared to give unconditional support while reserving the right to castigate those who failed to fulfiltheir dreams, even though most of them knew, deep down, that those dreams were no longer realistic. Their apprehension was shared and after their first two matches in South Africa even Capello was speaking of the "fear" of the tournament exhibited by these highly experienced players. The immoderate affluence of the leading Premier League players began to turn the leaders of the golden generation into easy targets and at the 2006 World Cup they allowed themselves and their entourage to become a laughing stock. A sense of entitlement finally overwhelmed what had once been a bunch of ordinary lads, essentially no different from, and no less talented than, those assembled by Alf Ramsey in 1966. It distorted their behaviour off the pitch and led them to believe that success on it was no more than they "deserved" ? the most popular word in their lexicon when, after losing a penalty shoot-out to Portugal, they were lamenting the premature departure from their luxury headquarters in the hills of the Black Forest as though the talent and superior motivation of lower-ranked teams were some sort of offence against nature. So the era that began on a hot June night in France 12 years ago with a flash of lightning ? Owen's scamper through the Argentinian defence ? and a roll of thunder ? Beckham's red card ? is finally over. Now we can see how that defeat in Saint-Etienne defined the generation: a moment of deserved exhilaration closely followed by the confrontation with catastrophe. And when the end came, it was a real coup de gr?ce, appropriately flavoured with controversy and delivered by merciless opponents. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:56:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Matt <[email protected]> Subject: [LU] 10 things I have learnt from the World Cup so far To: David Brennan <[email protected]>, "barry.gaynor2" <[email protected]>, Jackie Lees <[email protected]>, andy limb <[email protected]>, Myles <[email protected]>, Rezan Watts <[email protected]>, Simon Ritson <[email protected]>, Andrew Taylor <[email protected]>, Wiggy <[email protected]>, List <[email protected]>, Bob Wheaton <[email protected]>, Serena Croll <[email protected]>, Nick Gaynor <[email protected]>, Ingrid Gouldsborough <[email protected]>, Kev Gaught <[email protected]>, MATTHEW GAYNOR <[email protected]>, Jon Abbott <[email protected]>, Rebecca Jones <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Planes can land on motorways especially when that motorway is full of football fans. Don't sell Argentina v Mexico tickets to drive 400 miles to watch England get thrashed. There are thousands of volunteers who are all very friendly but have absolutely no useful info. Barbed wire sellers do very well in SA Vuvuzelas give you a headache or that might be the combination of sun and beer. Building a football ground in the middle of nowhere ie Rustenburg is a bit daft. Having one road in and one road out is even dafter. South Africa doesn't do road signs. Asamoah Gyan of Ghana is Tony Yeboah incarnate big arse great goals. Fancy dress looks silly when your team have lost. Having the World Cup in Africa was a great idea. Matt ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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