@john and curtis...need to clarify some things...i have seen what the legacy can do, other than turning work and fluting, reeding,spiraling, etc....planing, dovetailing,etc,etc...it is an impressive machine...but i do have a complete woodworking shop with some equipment that works very well for our needs...some include 18" planer(spiral head),16" jointer(spiral head,this was an upgrade),sliding panel table saw,etc.etc..20-30 pieces(i lost count...LOL)...some very unique and specialized...and a very large oliver pattern makers lathe(think metal lathe, but used for woodworking)...so i would not use a legacy for planing(my planer produces glass like surfaces), or dovetailing or traditional turning work(the oliver has an 8ft. duplicator permanently mounted on the backside)...point being i don't ever see using a second carriage on my extended legacy...i now have a 11ft twist lathe(it is not a legacy) and it is very rare that we ever have to make a second, deeper cut with a router bit...one pass and it is done...that could change, if we got a job that required secondary passes,but so far have not had to do that...now the problem of supporting thin stock is a big issue...we solved it on our other machine by making cradles...two are used when doing an 11ft piece...i am thinking two will also work if doing a 15ft piece on my new legacy...but i feel i want to support from the bed, not some type of follower rest on the one carriage or a second carriage...the supports will be designed in such a way to accommodate the range of diameters we use, and once set properly(i.e. that the router bit cutting point is set to the center of ,not only the headstock and tailstock, but also the center of the cradle supports), we will never need to adjust them again...not an easy task to design and make, but we have a similiar piece already, it just needs to be rededigned a bit...point being, i do not plan on using the carriages for this purpose...but all good ideas...i might re-think my approach to some things...so, anyone out there need the cnc upgrade for their legacy?...let me know...again, thanks for the input and please keep the info coming...joe biunno On Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:23:21 PM UTC-4, John Sasinowski wrote: > > Joe, > > You asked questions about what you *need* - it can be helpful to rephrase > the questions in terms of *want* to see if you get different answers. > > For example: You have to turn a blank into a cylinder, and decide to make > several shallow passes. You only *need* one carriage, but might *want* to > use two at once set to different depths to turn the cylinder in roughly 1/2 > the time. > One can construct similar efficiency arguments for surface planing w/fewer > passes and machining moulding with multiple router bits - be it for > different profiles, machining different sides of a blank, etc. > > Some other options: Preparing the next setup while one runs; operating on > different parts of a project at once; running two pieces at atime. > > There are probably other benefits, but two carriages provide opportunities > for efficiency, buying you time which, regardless of machining wood for fun > or profit, translates into money. > > - John > > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM, finu...@aol.com <javascript:> < > finu...@aol.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> @curtis...that is something that i am giving a lot of thopught...would i >> ever need two carriages at the same time?...do i ever need to set up one >> carriage for a specific job and leave the other carriage for other >> operations?...do i keep the other carriage in case i want to split up the >> machines and sell them?...i am also using the cnc upgrade that came with >> the 1800 i recently purchased...if i do, i might want to have one carriage >> set uo to use manually, and another set up with the stepper motor from the >> upgrade kit...on the flip side my budget is maxed out and i still have a >> ways to go, both in labor and materials...so with all that being said, i >> would consider selling the cnc upgrade and a carriage, if i get the right >> money...if you want, you can send a message to me at >> finun...@aol.com...thanks for the interest...joe biunno >> On Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:59:11 PM UTC-4, Curtis wrote: >>> >>> Joe are you going to use both Legacy carriages on this new machine of >>> yours? >>> C.A.G. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* finu...@aol.com >>> *To:* legacy-orna...@**googlegroups.com >>> *Cc:* finu...@aol.com >>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:15 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: joining two machines...progress report >>> >>> i also heard of that machine and was told it was 40ft...my guess was >>> that it was a boat shop that was using it...at least they are not making >>> drapery rods,LOL!...i would be curious to know if they are cutting aluminum >>> with that machine...or is it only wood?...and if it is only wood, it most >>> likely is a retro or restoration shop...it would be great to see a photo of >>> that machine...but sometimes these boat guys can be very secretative >>> regarding their methods and techniques...maybe some info will mysteriously >>> appear and an inquiry can be made in regards to seeing a photo of >>> it...might also be interesting to know if anything between that machine and >>> a 2000 was ever made by legacy...good stuff on this thread...thanks >>> guys...joe biunno >>> >>> On Friday, August 30, 2013 5:58:58 PM UTC-4, legacy woodworking wrote: >>> >>>> I remember a conversation with John Hennon and he told me they had made >>>> a legacy for a boat builder, If I remember correctly it was something like >>>> 30 or 40 foot long they used it to make the mast. I do not remember if it >>>> was a manuel or cnc. But you may be able to find one >>>> >>>> Jeff Becker >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- "finu...@aol.com" <finu...@aol.com> wrote: >>>> > @curtis and @jeff...i could get them made at my brother-in-law's >>>> sheet >>>> > metal shop...probably no charge as well!,LOL...but being the nut that >>>> i am, >>>> > i would like to keep anything that anyone might expect to be original >>>> to >>>> > the machine as authentic as possible...believe me, if i knew that >>>> there was >>>> > a 15ft base made by legacy out there, i would have gone to great >>>> lengths to >>>> > find one...so i can live with making the base myself, but i will wait >>>> to >>>> > find some legacy panels...and after a reasonable amount of time, if i >>>> have >>>> > not found them, i will resort to making them myself...probably metal >>>> > though...but then i'll need to nail the paint color!...lol...if i had >>>> not >>>> > picked up the 1200 from pittsburgh just last week, i would have been >>>> going >>>> > down to north carolina for that 1800 that just popped up...and then >>>> it >>>> > would have been two 1800's!...and no panel issues!...anyway, i have >>>> found >>>> > from experience that if you put some effort into something in the >>>> > beginning, it could pay off down the road...plus i have the added >>>> benefit >>>> > that this is a business improvement/benefit, so going a bit further >>>> than a >>>> > part time user of a machine is more doable for me...but sometimes >>>> that is >>>> > NOT a good thing...anyway, thanks for the input guys...keep it >>>> coming...joe >>>> > biunno >>>> > >>>> > On Friday, August 30, 2013 2:26:40 PM UTC-4, legacy woodworking >>>> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Chance are you could get the panels made locally cheaper than >>>> having them >>>> > > shipped to you, One suggestion might be to find a place that makes >>>> hoods >>>> > > for restraunt equipment, I would think they would do a pretty good >>>> job of >>>> > > keeping saw dust away from your shop floor if nothing else. >>>> > > >>>> > > Jeff Becker >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ---- "finu...@aol.com <javascript:>" <finu...@aol.com<javascript:>> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > left out one set of side panels as it did not "balance" out the >>>> > > > machine...that is my OCB taking over,LOL...if anyone has some >>>> panels >>>> > > that >>>> > > > they would like to sell, please let me know...i would be >>>> interested in >>>> > > > buying them...joe biunno >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Friday, August 30, 2013 11:50:56 AM UTC-4, finu...@aol.comwrote: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > well, so far so good...the base is done, as you can >>>> see...dimensions >>>> > > are >>>> > > > > 182' long,19 1/2" deep and 17 1/4" high(no wheels...27" with >>>> > > wheels)...it >>>> > > > > is incredibly strong, in both the vertical and horizontal >>>> > > planes...probably >>>> > > > > could have used 1/2" ply instead of 3/4", and gotten sufficient >>>> > > > > results...because i used 3/4', each half, and the center joiner >>>> piece >>>> > > > > weighs quite a bit...i've roughly estimated it as 500 lbs....a >>>> bit of >>>> > > > > overkill to say the least, but it is very strong and >>>> stable...and the >>>> > > big >>>> > > > > bonus is that it breaks down into three pieces, none longer >>>> than 8ft., >>>> > > for >>>> > > > > ease of transport...still to come are four drawers to be bottom >>>> > > > > mounted...approx 36" wide by 18" deep by 8" high...two between >>>> the >>>> > > wheels >>>> > > > > and one on the outside of each wheel...these will also be >>>> designed to >>>> > > be >>>> > > > > completely removable to not increase the size of the "boxes", >>>> again >>>> > > for >>>> > > > > ease of transport...also not done yet are the steel rods that >>>> run the >>>> > > > > length of the base in the bottom corners...when these are in >>>> place and >>>> > > > > tightened, there will be no dip in the center at the bottom, >>>> between >>>> > > the >>>> > > > > two boxes...a bit difficult to 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