Thanks Roger. I like that one. C.A.G. ----- Original Message -----
Sorry folks but blame Microsoft for not copying it properly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv1WoQtwVVE From: Bill Bulkeley Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:34 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Barley twist on pens Roger you have 2 short cuts to the same video the legacy one Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger P Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 9:13 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens Hi Tim Time for more education (private joke between Tim and me), what Barry Gross demonstrated was decoupage! This video is a Penn State Industries one, it may be Barry doing the commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo Legacy pen demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo if your interested. Regards Euro Roger From: Tim Krause Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:05 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens Very inspiring post. Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with (probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks. This would be really something different. Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand grip is no longer what it use to be :-) Still a great post Curt. Thank You! -Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: CURTIS GEORGE To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens Hello everyone, On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable to hold. Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ? Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't feel funny. I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back into a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish? I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be love at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not made any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some kind of ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just my luck that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens ever made. ;-p I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get some nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see them. ;-) C.A.G. ----- Original Message ----- Hi Cole and Bill, I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself. I think I like the idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop flutes or super tiny reeds. Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere. One could argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do. Isn't that why we bought our machines? Based on dreams and what we can do, but what we DO in the end is a different story :-) I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that successful compared to standard pens. I never got to see any example of the pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions. I wondered how they where presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware. I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long using my legacy and not one of them where round. I sold them for $35 or more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them. Now granted I have a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes. Mine are original, one of a kind, and limited availability. So I don't know if it was my name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back. Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the customer and as I call it, "Sell the Story". It means more cash per unit but often less sales because the price point is higher. It beats making widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the bills as well. Those too can be lucrative. I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and how it feels. -Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cole Andrews" < coleandrew...@gmail.com > To: "Legacy group" < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens > I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen for me. > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > wrote: > > Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and did a > > single start barley > > > > I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better > > > > I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry it > > was pre fire > > > > But I wanted the 1/2 " barley for small spirals not on pens and for smaller > > multi start spirals > > > > > > > > From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com > > [ mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim Krause > > Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM > > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Barley twist on pens > > > > > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > > > > > A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit to > > do pens. I see a 7557 bit that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth of > > 3/32. That should work for a pen. 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