Wow very impressive Joe and thanks for providing all the details on what your process was. Bill thanks for asking the right questions too. Very impressed. Thanks again. Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:37 AM '[email protected]' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > hey Bill... let me start by saying that I don't have access to my Legacy > on a daily basis... I was forced to downsize my shop due to economics and > the legacy did not warrant a full time place in the new shop due to the > little use it got... it is in a warehouse a bit upstate from where the shop > is(110 miles)... I usually go up to the warehouse every other weekend(26 > times a year!... LOL!)... and I believe you are referring to how I widened > my "Z" axis... I began by cutting some small pieces of Legacy aluminum rail > from a Legacy machine base that was not being used... these were about 3" > long... I then used a "T" nut(McMaster-Carr) with a 10-32 thread that fit > snuggly in the "groove" of the rail and stuck out far enough to also fit > into the groove of the other rail... that was a bit of luck on my part... > so basically, the two rails(the short piece and the originally piece from > the "Z" axis) registered and self-aligned themselves... I then drilled a > hole through the "spline of the Legacy rail to correspond with the location > of the "T" nut in the short piece... doesn't show in the photo, but if you > look at the vertical piece of aluminum rail in the same photo, you can see > a bit of the 10-32, socket head bolt peeking through the center spline of > the rail... in fact, I can see 5 drillings in that vertical rail... this > was an easy, quick mod that took about an hour... no special tooling, > machining or welding was necessary... and made a big improvement as to what > was happening below with the router... and also gave me the room to angle > the router, when that was needed to do spiral cuts from the side... at this > moment I cannot take better photos to show all of this, but I hope I have > explained it... and when completed, the "Z" axis was rock solid, no > deflection whatsoever... any questions, please ask... Joe B. > > On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: > >> Joe I still love that mill of yours can you tell me how you joined the >> rails together I cant see any screws between the short piece of rail and >> the cross slide rail its been a while and I forgot how you did it. >> >> >> >> Bill. >> >> >> >> *From:* '[email protected]' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 June 2021 4:18 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping >> >> >> >> >> hey Tim... the photo posted is of my Legacy... some additional photos are >> on the Legacy Facebook page... here is a photo of my "Z" axis without the >> router and mounting plate... that is a rotary indexing table which the >> router mounts onto... you can set the router to any angle and also 90 >> degrees to do faceplate work... this is an early photo, before I modified >> the "Z" axis... more photos to follow... Joe >> >> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:38:15 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: >> >> Hey Joe, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the input. >> >> Who posted the pic with the angled router? >> >> I would like more pix of that design. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:50 AM '[email protected]' via Legacy Ornamental >> Mills <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> have done a lot of roping over the years, whether it be a flute or a >> reed... originally started with the cutter at top/center position, but that >> required a good amount of sanding... especially when doing a twisted >> reed... the plunge cutting, round over bit was not a well designed bit as >> the end of the bit was so small in diameter, and then that narrow point >> was divided into two, that the point was cutting the wood very poorly.. it >> was practically burning its way through the cut at the tip of the bit... >> but cutting from the side with a different designed bit solved that >> problem... hence why Magnate came out with those extra long, side cutting >> router bits... for straight cutting flutes or reeds, they are excellent... >> but for spiral work, it is best to angle the router to suit the angle of >> the spiral pitch... especially when using the reeding bit... this is >> impossible on a Legacy without some modification of the router, but the >> results are much better, in my opinion... the profile of the bit is exactly >> what the cut will be when doing it this way... Joe B. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:57:32 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> Yes template work is where the revo holds its own >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:42 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping >> >> >> >> Yeah I'll have to put my template follower back on to try that. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 8:36 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks curt. >> >> I forgot to mention template turning, on the legacy without mods template >> work is all done from the side >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:07 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping >> >> >> >> Hello and Good morning. >> >> >> >> Nice Video Bill. >> >> Tim I have roped form the side on a few small turnings. the methods are >> very much the same as roping on the top. with one BIG difference, the Y >> axis controls your depth of cut, when using a template, this is an Awesome >> method of turning. (even on a tapper) >> >> As far as stabilizing the turning to stop vibration, The thin stock >> support brackets were made to do that, But??? >> >> there are other ways to get the job done. >> >> There are a number of factors that all need to be looked at, direction of >> the cut, is something that is over looked a lot when cutting. (before we >> go off topic to far. I think I will stop with this.) The way you cut on the >> wood will effect the quality of what you are making, being it Roping or >> just turning. Its something to think about. >> >> >> >> talk more latter. >> >> >> >> Have a good day. >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 06:46:02 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Ok Guys so I've been doing most everything from top. What advantages are >> you seeing doing it from the >> >> side? I'd see needing the same supports but am I wrong? Curt, I'm going >> to post those posts I made here >> >> soon in a separate post and would like to see if we get some feed >> back from others too but for now tell >> >> me more about milling from the side? >> >> By the way I have an 80/20 rep coming out tomorrow to see what they all >> have to offer. lol >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 2:31 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I pretty much do all my rope this way eather from the side or down from >> the top as in this video >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs&ab_channel=WATOPWATOP >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:18 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping >> >> >> >> Thanks guys. >> >> >> >> Bill I too have Tinnitus, as well as *High Frequency* Nerve damage to >> my hearing. (for me the noise NEVER Stops. Just something that I have >> learned to live with.) >> >> But with this song, the silence is not... ;-P >> >> >> >> Can either of you offer another method on Roping that you like to use? >> >> >> >> I have another method that I like to use, that I did not state earlier. >> but others in the group may not like this method, mainly due to it uses >> jigs that I made my self, that could be a bit tricky to explain and even >> harder to get people to make them for them self's. >> >> Sorta like the Wave attachment. Its very cool, And a lot of fun to use, >> but most just don't want it. for some reason or another ? >> >> >> >> Have a good night. >> >> talk to you and all more latter. >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> On Monday, June 7, 2021, 12:52:42 AM EDT, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> In my case the sound of silence is deafening I cant stand complete >> silence without sound it drives me insane I have Tinnitus >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, 7 June 2021 12:45 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* The Sound Of Silence & Roping >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4 >> >> >> >> Hello Everyone. >> >> I started posting this to the group, As a play on words in the title of >> the song.(of silence...?) >> >> >> >> But after hearing the song (it is NOT the song I remember.) I find myself >> strangely moved, to the power of the music. >> >> >> >> I was sent an e-mail today asking about roping on the LOM. >> >> >> >> I have found a number of different method to work very well for me when >> roping, All depending on the size of the spindle you are working with. each >> method has it own advantages... >> >> >> >> For small ropes (under 12" long.) The best way that I have found is to , >> run/cut the rope on our spindle, to the limit switch,(or stop, if you are >> cranking my hand.) then reverse the carriage (by the way of the Acme screw) >> and bring it back to the start, then I use my set-up spacers. to advance >> the carriage forward, then locking the split nut and re-winding the >> carriage to the stop/starting place. to cut again... >> >> >> >> Mike Pung's, Crank handle indexing method also works very well for me. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=14s >> >> >> >> As well as my Sharpie marker method, Used on the wave attachment. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWq7eCpLMuc&t=298s >> >> >> >> In the Photo's the spade bits that I use for my spacings. 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