ok thanks Bill I'm trying to eliminate screw's and tape and aid the centering. that's my big goal. Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:46 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > No I just showed you it didn’t interest me I have no need to chuck > anything on the rotary table the ways I do it > > Works fine for me if I needed to hold a big block like making a bowl or > something I would just hold it with screws up from underneath through the > sacrificial Mdf table > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler > *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:31 PM > *To:* LOM Group <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these? > > > > Wow thats impressive to Bill. Bet expensive The longworth Chuck is around > $150.00 > > Did you check the price? > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 shop > > 320-630-2243 cell > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 7:12 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > > https://kitagawa-usa.com/product/tm-series-thin-manual-type-scroll-chuck/ > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler > *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:54 AM > *To:* LOM Group <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these? > > > > Wow Dan thanks far more than 2 cents worth for sure. > > I would be interested in pursuing further and possibly what you'd > suggested with the rods. > > For sure take some pix. I am really into getting something down simple and > accurate and of > > course repeatable. HUGE FACTOR lol. > > So you'd suggested the Long Fellow may flex and not be repeatable, then > how about > > one in AirCraft Aluminum or something. > > I typically have to farm out my machining as I don't have a lot of metal > working equipment. > > Again thank you for your feed back. Good Stuff. > > Aye! > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 shop > > 320-630-2243 cell > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Dan Krager <cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's my $0.02 on the clamping matter upon the rotary table. I have > (made) a Longworth chuck and as Bill mentioned it is not a strong holder > nor necessarily a repeatable accurate locator, though it may be close > enough for woodwork. It might be improved with bushings in the slot that > fit better than the 1/4" threaded bolts. I put Tommy bar holes in mine > that help a lot. As Bill mentioned, different "jaws" that do the actual > holding might work better than the rubber feet, e.g. toothed pads, screw > points through the pads, or something aggressive like that. If the scrolls > were in a (stronger) metal plate the angles could be much shallower and act > like the scroll behind a 3 jaw chuck. > > > > Now if you are a fair dinkum engineer with a rotary table linked to the X > axis travel you can cut a suitable ACME scroll in plywood or plastic (nylon > or delrin) plate and in the same setting mill the T slots for the clamp pad > (jaws) in another circular plate. Milling the matching scroll on the jaws > fitted to the T slot might be tricky. Like building a squashed flat 3 jaw > chuck. Clearance is severely limited for a regular 3 jaw metalworking chuck. > > > > I saw a video yesterday of a carving table modified with self centering > clamp jaws that act like the little jeweler's clamp shown, which I also > have. It was basically two blocks opposing each other in a T slot > connected within the oversized slot (below table surface) with a double > ended screw, LH on one end and RH on the other. I have a bunch of them > already threaded (7": LH and 9" RH 3/8-16 x 18" OA or vice versa I don't > remember) and might just try something like that. I made a dozen very large > hand screws and messed up the threading locations, but the threads are > fine. Pay shipping and one or more could be yours. I think there are 12. > > > > My first plan for locating was cross hairs and concentric circles, all cut > with a tiny vee bit. I've found as Tim mentioned that double stick tape is > sketchy, both for locating and holding security, though I got by with it > machining the plastic quilting template for wife (mentioned earlier). Then > I lusted after T slots and hold downs like on my metal working equipment. > I have a giant indexing head with tilting 3 jaw chuck, but it's out of the > question to use on (or near) the REVO. If push comes to shove, I'll just > move the operation to the metal mill! But now that I've remembered these > threaded rods laying in the "resource bin", I just might tinker with a self > centering pad jaw setup. Combined with T slot clamps might be all one > needs. > > DanK > > P.S. Thanks for the additional Austrailian vocabulary. I'm building a > small dictionary..... > > > > On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 6:45:08 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote: > > WoodPecker or Rockler has lots of clamping methods similar to that though > that might work. > > Still would not solve the actual centering challenge. I just am looking > for a quicker method of > > the actual centering too mainly. > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop > > 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:47 AM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > > Yes I would like a set of those but I don’t think legacy sells them online > anymore > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < > legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2022 1:40 PM > *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these? > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzeS7MN9qlA Legacy video on there cnc. > hold down table. > > > > C.A.G. > > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:12:35 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au < > bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > Well if it’s a blank ready to start I would set the job dead centre first > with nothing but the bear block now if its moving too easy making it > difficult to set up put a block of lead on top that will stop it moving too > easy and stop the dial indicator moving it too if it’s a round piece your > setting up. > > > > Then after its true screw blocks of similar thickness wood against the > work (4 pieces 2 screws in each) then mark a spot on the work and a block > > Remove the lead and your job put the tape under it and stick it back it > should be still set perfectly. > > > > That is the strongest way I know to hold it. Also 2 blocks and 2 legacy > cam clamps for repeat work when doing more than one. > > > > This may not be the best way but it’s what I would mostly do. > > > > Bill > > > > > > *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On > Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler > *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2022 11:32 AM > *To:* LOM Group <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these? > > > > Bill does this work well when your using double stick tape? > > I'm not saying its always a fail. Lots of times I put blocks on the table > for alignment. > > There again I have not done near as many as you have done so I'm still > looking for the best avenue. lol > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop > > 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 8:23 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > > Personally I use a dial indicator or surface gauge to centre work same as > I did with > > Metal machining rotary tables in the old days. Even the line method you > see in the legacy videos > > To centre work I don’t find all that difficult to do > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On > Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler > *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2022 8:16 AM > *To:* LOM Group <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these? > > > > Thanks Curt, > > > > I want to make something like that for the rotary Table. Trying to eyeball > and get your block dead centered > > on the lines is not alway easy. If you recall a few months back I'd > mentioned mounting a lathe chuck on the > > rotary table. this little gadget may have got the wheels turning lol. > > Kind Regards, > > > > Timothy J. Ziegler > > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > > 14171 160th Ave. > > Foreston MN 56330 > > > > 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop > > 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell > > > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > > > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < > legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I've been playing around with an idea. something like this could be used > by us to hold part on the Legacy? for detail work, they are cheap and just > might work well for some small stuff? > > > > Just an idea. > > > > talk more latter. > > > > C.A.G. > > > > > 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