Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5

Mon, 17 Oct 2022 09:29:21 -0700

Awesome Bill! Thanks for all of the time and effort to put these together!

Steve Jacobs
Brighton, TN

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On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:59 AM, 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thank you Bill for the great info for us beginners.
I’m sure this has been brought up before but how is the best way to go from LOM to Shopsmith lathe or vice versa. And if special made connectors could you send pics?
Thanks
Denson

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On Oct 17, 2022, at 7:32 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:



I wouldn’t say toolmaker we learnt how to silver braze tips as an apprentice and hand grinding tools for the metal lathe as

Part of the trade.

Insertable carbide tips were just becoming popular back then there were no where near the amount of different shapes

There is now so brazed carbide was still around and in use, recycling used inserts wasn’t the thing much then

So I could get handfuls of old used inserts which I still have all these years later. insert tools were expensive back then

So making your own was the logical thing to do I don’t know why it hasn’t become popular in wood turning tools today

A nice piece of high tensile steel and some old used inserts and you can have a $300 lathe tool it’s a no brainer really.

But after saying all this I couldn’t make router bits you need specialised grinding and milling machines for that.

Much easier just to buy them or insert router bits.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 9:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5

 

Wow Bill, so your a tool maker too. Now I'm even more impressed. lol

I agree there are plenty of imports that can be as good, if they have good quality control for sure. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 10:48 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

I do remember the silver brazed on bits I used them lots in my days in the metal trade

And I make them still in my shop they were great when you needed a custom shape tool

I use used blunt inserts and braze them on to a blank and they work as good as any insert

Because they are an insert.

Anyway that tool your showing here is only a 2 flute where mine is 3

Because I am poor I would buy the cheaper cutter but buy the high quality inserts and put in it

Provided they fit, easy wood lathe tool inserts fit in mine and I find them quite good.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 1:09 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5

 

Well in my opinion and this will go back a while back on carbide. 

Brazed on Carbide is not usually as hard of grade, as the inserts. 

The insert carbide is a better bet and will out last a brazed on but

at least 4 times as long on just one edge. then you have 3 more edges to 

change out. But you have to buy a good brand. As the china carbide is

not as good as other brands.  See link:

 

Freud's bits are expensive but I tend to favor them, having most of my everyday router bits being freud. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 8:32 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I agree that one is not badly priced. But what I want it first hand info. 

Do you OR anyone in this group, think the replicable blades are as good or better then the normal carbide router bit? I would really like to know what you think?

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 09:27:03 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 

I know a few friends who ONLY buy cutters with replacement blades for there CNC Machines.

But do you feel that this bit worth the price you paid for it? 

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 08:15:49 PM EDT, <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

 

 

https://www.carbitool.com.au/product/3-flute-surface-planer/

 

this

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 10:34 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5

 

Hey Bill what you using for the planning router bit???? 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 6:23 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

Thank you

 

 

Looks good 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022, <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

Yes it is longer than I wanted but I couldn’t shorten it much more and keep all the steps in

For learners to follow  As it was a skipped a couple of things and just described what to do

 

Bill

 

Very nice work there Bill.

The video is a bit long, but I do think you covered every step.

 

Thank you.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

https://youtu.be/R8j8hcQg9bg

 

ok guys here is one more ornamental milling for beginners,

 

episode 5 this time its milling a 2 start barley and then turning it

 

into a hollow spiral. as they get more complex they are getting harder

to show and explain how to make them I’m sorry if anyone can’t understand or follow

it I did my best, I had a few problems too one was the ½ inch spiral bit was almost

stuffed so smoke and burnt wood was a bit of a problem also a crack opened up

during milling but I managed to super glue it up before it got too bad and edit it

out of the finished video. But I got there in the end

 

Bill

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