hey guys!... to begin, I have been out of contact for a while(but still reading all of your posts) because of the passing of my brother, work has been challenging lately and I stupidly have been not understanding some settings on my computer which did not allow me to see the "comment" and "reply" icons for the group... all is in the past and I figured out the computer, so I am back!... I want to make a statement regarding the Legacy Company and their manual mills made in the past... to my knowledge, there were only a few companies making what we in the group would call an "ornamental mill", over the past 30, +/-, years... Legacy, Killinger, Vega and Sears(not counting some exotic, hydraulic, highly industrial copy lathes)... and I have owned and used them all... we all know the Sears unit and basically it is a toy and not to be given any serious consideration... Vega sold a twisting accessory that was only for twisting on spindles and had very limited use... it had to be used with their duplicator... it was not practical... Killinger wasn't a bad unit( I purchased three machines and proceeded to cut, weld and machine the three together to make a 12 ft. Frankenstein monster... got the jobs done that I needed but what a horror to use!) but like the other two first mentioned, very limited in what it could do... then comes the Legacy line... I was in contact with Andy basically when he first started the company... the innovations and improvements that he and his team came up with over those early years was incredible... to design, manufacture, market, educate, etc. their product line was quite the task... and think about how many shows they did and what it cost to do those woodworking shows!... and by far, they blew the competition away!... nothing was close to what the Legacy could do... and yet it still wasn't enough to keep the company viable due to a downturn in sales... sure, there are about 10 to 20 of us who would love to be able to buy gears, rails, accessories, etc. when we wanted or needed them, but the cost factor of manufacturing parts, mass productionof parts(only way to make it profitable), storage, book keeping, etc., etc. just wasn't a viable, long term, financial situation for Legacy... not enough interest in the machine... and in today's world with CNC carving/milling machinery(getting cheaper and more affordable every day!) and 3D printing machinery(soon to be in every home!... LOL!), a Legacy machine would be dead last in sales, if there were any at all... no sales of machines means no sales of parts or accessories... so for all of the "I wish I could buy the Evo machine today" guys, we all had our chance... we just didn't act on it... and if it was available today, for let's say $4,000, how many would step up to buy it?... if you find one, and you have to have it, but the owner doesn't really want to sell it, "make him an offer he can't refuse" and put it in your "collection" of Legacy machines... perhaps one day it will reach "Holtzapffel" status!... and if you think there are issues finding parts and accessories for Legacy machines, go have a conversation with the Holtzapffel guys!... LOL!... we all have our machines and all I can say is thanks to the Legacy team(and specifically Andy) for making a very unique piece of equipment... I know I could not have made it better... rant over!... Joe B.
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:32:21 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com wrote: > Yup I'm with you Tim. I wouldn't dig it up either. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop > 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 7:35 AM Tim Krause <artma...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I'd like a small desktop cnc so I could help others. There is absolutely >> no reason to bug Andy! Like I said, it's water under the bridge. >> On Nov 9, 2022, at 5:25 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> I cant help but wonder What If, We remind Andy on his promise? >>> Perhaps Legacy could make a Small CNC for Tim. (something that will fit, >>> under the kitchen table, when not in use. ) ;-p >>> >>> C.A.G. >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 06:45:08 AM EST, Tim Ziegler < >>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Yup pretty much all one can say at this point. >>> We all know they are big into CnC and that machine was the true >>> beginning of it I think. (though it would be nice to have one) >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>> 14171 160th Ave. >>> Foreston MN 56330 >>> >>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:34 AM Tim Krause < artma...@comcast.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I just tripple checked...nope still not here. That's okay, I was going >>> to use the mill for suporting others. But, I don't think many were made. >>> It's all just water under the bridge. >>> >>> Tim >>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:31 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote: >>> >>> Well holy crap Tim Ks mill must be sitting at his front door. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 2:14 PM >>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Name question >>> >>> >>> >>> Here you are Bill >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>> >>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>> >>> 14171 160th Ave. >>> >>> Foreston MN 56330 >>> >>> >>> >>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>> >>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 9:10 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> I have never seen a flying pig lol >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 1:31 PM >>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Name question >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Mac. >>> >>> >>> >>> YES! and No. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes Andy did promise Tim a mill for all the reasons you stated. >>> >>> >>> >>> And No. I have no idea when it will get to him? (I'm sure it was an >>> Honest mistake, and it will arrive any day...) ;-p >>> >>> >>> >>> C.A.G. >>> >>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 09:18:38 PM EST, M.W.Foscue < >>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At the risk of digging up old bones - isn't that the Mill that Legacy >>> was going to send Tim K. years ago - in appreciation for all that he had >>> done for the Legacy Mill community? >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Nov 6, 2022 3:43 PM >>> To: <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: Name question >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the evolution mill >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 2:31 AM >>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:* Name question >>> >>> >>> >>> I see several messages about an "Evolution" Legacy Mill. 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