Very well said Joe. Thanks Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:31 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > hey guys!... to begin, I have been out of contact for a while(but still > reading all of your posts) because of the passing of my brother, work has > been challenging lately and I stupidly have been not understanding some > settings on my computer which did not allow me to see the "comment" and > "reply" icons for the group... all is in the past and I figured out the > computer, so I am back!... I want to make a statement regarding the Legacy > Company and their manual mills made in the past... to my knowledge, there > were only a few companies making what we in the group would call an > "ornamental mill", over the past 30, +/-, years... Legacy, Killinger, Vega > and Sears(not counting some exotic, hydraulic, highly industrial copy > lathes)... and I have owned and used them all... we all know the Sears unit > and basically it is a toy and not to be given any serious consideration... > Vega sold a twisting accessory that was only for twisting on spindles and > had very limited use... it had to be used with their duplicator... it was > not practical... Killinger wasn't a bad unit( I purchased three machines > and proceeded to cut, weld and machine the three together to make a 12 ft. > Frankenstein monster... got the jobs done that I needed but what a horror > to use!) but like the other two first mentioned, very limited in what it > could do... then comes the Legacy line... I was in contact with Andy > basically when he first started the company... the innovations and > improvements that he and his team came up with over those early years was > incredible... to design, manufacture, market, educate, etc. their product > line was quite the task... and think about how many shows they did and what > it cost to do those woodworking shows!... and by far, they blew the > competition away!... nothing was close to what the Legacy could do... and > yet it still wasn't enough to keep the company viable due to a downturn in > sales... sure, there are about 10 to 20 of us who would love to be able to > buy gears, rails, accessories, etc. when we wanted or needed them, but the > cost factor of manufacturing parts, mass productionof parts(only way to > make it profitable), storage, book keeping, etc., etc. just wasn't a > viable, long term, financial situation for Legacy... not enough interest in > the machine... and in today's world with CNC carving/milling > machinery(getting cheaper and more affordable every day!) and 3D printing > machinery(soon to be in every home!... LOL!), a Legacy machine would be > dead last in sales, if there were any at all... no sales of machines means > no sales of parts or accessories... so for all of the "I wish I could buy > the Evo machine today" guys, we all had our chance... we just didn't act on > it... and if it was available today, for let's say $4,000, how many would > step up to buy it?... if you find one, and you have to have it, but the > owner doesn't really want to sell it, "make him an offer he can't refuse" > and put it in your "collection" of Legacy machines... perhaps one day it > will reach "Holtzapffel" status!... and if you think there are issues > finding parts and accessories for Legacy machines, go have a conversation > with the Holtzapffel guys!... LOL!... we all have our machines and all I > can say is thanks to the Legacy team(and specifically Andy) for making a > very unique piece of equipment... I know I could not have made it better... > rant over!... Joe B. > > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:32:21 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Yup I'm with you Tim. I wouldn't dig it up either. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 7:35 AM Tim Krause <artma...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> I'd like a small desktop cnc so I could help others. There is absolutely >>> no reason to bug Andy! Like I said, it's water under the bridge. >>> On Nov 9, 2022, at 5:25 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I cant help but wonder What If, We remind Andy on his promise? >>>> Perhaps Legacy could make a Small CNC for Tim. (something that will >>>> fit, under the kitchen table, when not in use. ) ;-p >>>> >>>> C.A.G. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 06:45:08 AM EST, Tim Ziegler < >>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Yup pretty much all one can say at this point. >>>> We all know they are big into CnC and that machine was the true >>>> beginning of it I think. (though it would be nice to have one) >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>> >>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:34 AM Tim Krause < artma...@comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just tripple checked...nope still not here. That's okay, I was going >>>> to use the mill for suporting others. But, I don't think many were made. >>>> It's all just water under the bridge. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:31 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote: >>>> >>>> Well holy crap Tim Ks mill must be sitting at his front door. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com < >>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 2:14 PM >>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: Name question >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here you are Bill >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>> >>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>> >>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>> >>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>>> >>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 9:10 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have never seen a flying pig lol >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 1:31 PM >>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: Name question >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Mac. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> YES! and No. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes Andy did promise Tim a mill for all the reasons you stated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And No. I have no idea when it will get to him? (I'm sure it was an >>>> Honest mistake, and it will arrive any day...) ;-p >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> C.A.G. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 09:18:38 PM EST, M.W.Foscue < >>>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At the risk of digging up old bones - isn't that the Mill that Legacy >>>> was going to send Tim K. years ago - in appreciation for all that he had >>>> done for the Legacy Mill community? >>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Nov 6, 2022 3:43 PM >>>> To: <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: RE: Name question >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the evolution mill >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com < >>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 2:31 AM >>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject:* Name question >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I see several messages about an "Evolution" Legacy Mill. I own what >>>> the manual calls a "REVO" legacy mill, which the fine print spells out as >>>> short for "...a *revolution*ary new design." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So am I missing something here? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DanK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/680773f8-489e-49b8-8a9a-36c083bdd891n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/680773f8-489e-49b8-8a9a-36c083bdd891n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and 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