We are all ears Sir. Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 1:34 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > HoooBoi. I'm not counting challenged, but high count indexing with a > "magnified" (to get adequate hole spacing) is a kicker! So, guess what. > Another chart that I hope to make "dynamic" for pin locations by hole > count. It's coming, but it's taking me a very long time to grasp how > to make formulas for something we grasp "intuitively"....something as > simple as "the next hole bigger than the vernier position". There's > something called a Vernier Constant (VC) which is the same as "least > count" (LC) which is the difference between the Main Scale Reading (MSR) > and one division of the Vernier Scale Reading (VSR). Just something I > thought you NEEDED to know! LOL. > Stay tuned, loosely. > > DanK > > On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 12:03:54 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: > >> I too, Wish you luck on this. >> >> I cant wait to see/learn as much as I can form this venture. >> >> C.A.G. >> >> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 12:05:18 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler < >> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Can't wait to see it Dan, >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 10:35 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> So now it is all set up to cut wood. The next challenge will be to >> be certain I'm in the correct location for the cut. There may be >> some better labeling coming up. >> >> A smaller version of Curt's method would work on the REVO. And >> that would be OK if high index counts were not involved. >> >> [image: Capture.JPG] >> >> Next pic will be a checkered cylinder, for good or bad. >> DanK >> >> >> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:28:22 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: >> >> great information I recall your method. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:24 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Curt, you did a pretty clever thing to get indexing and gears to work >> together. >> Thank you for the reminder and suggestion, but I had already addressed >> that >> issue. Your design uses the same principles, so a vernier could be >> adapted to >> your setup by making a new arm to hold the vernier scale and pin. I like >> your >> setup because everything is locked in it's place without the risk I have >> of >> friction slipping. >> >> If you add more holes and a new vernier arm (with a loose pin like a >> spindexer) >> you could address any number of divisions without further modifications. >> A 72 hole ring minimum diameter is about 6". A 10 hole vernier arm needs >> to be about 3 3/4" broad, and thick enough to hold the loose pin without >> wobble. You could address all divisions without having different index >> plates. >> >> You may recall that some time ago I made a modification to the index gear >> mount so that it turns freely on the lathe spindle shaft while an index >> arm >> that is secured to the lathe spindle shaft (by very tight bolt friction) >> engages >> the holes on the index plate. I referenced that situation in a recent >> previous >> post, noting that if this mod isn't made, this vernier thing isn't going >> to work >> I made a two piece bushing to make this happen.This allows me to make as >> many starts as an index ring will permit using whatever cutter I choose. >> For all but the most demanding spirals, I do not have to calculate >> circumference vs cutter diameter, and never have to move the frame to >> "index". >> >> Now, the high counts of checkering indexing motivated the special vernier >> setup. >> Checkering a cylinder does require a very tight relationship between >> circumference and number of starts. Cutter diameter is irrelevant, but >> DOC >> is because that effectively changes the diameter and thus the >> circumference >> by 2X the DOC. DOC is tiny, but has a significant impact on field >> coverage >> and sharpness of diamond points. >> >> DanK >> >> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 12:27:40 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone. (Im home form work now.) >> >> Dan, ONE quick question for you. >> >> How are you going to combine the two together? Meaning Checkering uses >> the gears and indexing dose not? >> >> One suggestion. I made a while back a roping index system for my >> machines. It combines both elements of indexing while letting me use the >> gears at the same time. >> Here are some photo's and a video link. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb-fe4GS8M >> >> Its a very simple jig to set up and use. And it just might help you out >> with your indexing ideas? >> If you want more details please ask. >> >> Have a good night. >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 05:58:44 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com < >> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> The first effort at vernier arm was only semi successful. In my CAD >> drawing >> I didn't make the vernier holes 1/4". I had left them at 3/16" so the >> drawing >> indicated that there was material between the holes. But when I drilled >> the >> second hole, I realized the error of my ways. Doh! And on top of that, >> the arm >> must have slipped on the index head because the holes almost lined up but >> not >> close enough for the pin to work. Now what? A vernier is a fixed thing, >> right? >> And I feared the project was doomed. >> >> Then I remembered reading about adjusting the span of the vernier. Found >> it, applied it and it >> worked! So now I have 1/4" holes in the arm for a pin that tapers into a >> 3/16" hole on >> the index gear plate. TMI to explain here how it worked out, but man, >> was it slick! >> [image: vernier1.JPG] [image: vernier2.JPG] >> >> So, next up. A little shaping on the arm, test if the pin works and >> apply it to >> the REVO for more cuts on the checkering field. >> DanK >> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:34:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: >> >> Wow Dan I am impressed. Very good and great pics. >> I'm excited to look more into your creation for sure. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:37 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Made it happen, but here's the previous setup for the index plate. >> [image: Capture.JPG] >> >> I don't have a metal piece big enough to make the index >> arm that gets the 9 holes at 4.5°, so I'm back to a 1/2" >> thick piece of acrylic. It will last long enough to verify >> that it works and checker the sample handle with 21 >> lines per inch (LPI) at a 60° helix angle. This should >> cover the handle with a field of durable diamonds. >> DanK >> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> The index arm (unique to my REVO) will be broad enough to >> span 10 holes spaced at 4.5°. To get the index head setup, >> the formula is first divide 360 by 4.5 to get the number of >> divisions needed. So that sets up the ratio 90:80 = 9/8=18/16. >> I'll use the last ratio with a 16 hole index plate on the dividing >> head (the same one used to create the 72 hole circle) but this >> time instead of moving 20 holes each drill peck, I'll move only >> 18 holes. The sector arms will adjust to span 2 holes. >> Now...."Make it so." >> Pictures pending. >> DanK >> >> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:22:35 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: >> >> Great now to just remember to delete the old ones. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 5:58 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> SUPER! And a big thank you to Bill. 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