Correction,

My last post should, of course, have said ".....do not have indices - why should they when they don't have Sources"
Sorry.

Ron Ferguson


Ron Ferguson wrote:
Of course the Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant
Chart, Ancestor Chart amd Lineage Chart do not have sources - why
should they when they don't have Sources, where would they be used?

I have already said in a previous post that .txt files do *not* allow
superscripts. That is to do with the text format itself.

Ron Ferguson
_____________________________________________________

New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
____________________________________________________


CE Wood wrote:
You said:  "HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not
appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of  Legacy
generated HTML pages each month."

Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor
Chart, and Lineage Chart, all of which have the check box for HTML,
and which do produce Indices in Preview and PDF, do NOT produce
Indices in either text or HTML.

Individual Report and Family Group Records, which allow sources, DO
produce Sources in both HTML and Text.


CE


-----Original Message-----
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On
Behalf Of Ron Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, & other
bugs in reports

All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce
what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not
possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will
appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams.
In general, and I am not

saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form
of the output.

I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine
some are not

available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce
something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't
think of an example at present though).

RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have
different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack
of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is
constant with RTFs :-).

As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could
simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much  RAM was
available. I've never had

a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages
either.

HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as
superscripts, and I produce many thousands of  Legacy generated
HTML pages each month.

There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but
apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would
say they have now been resolved. All software has their own
idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product
(and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea
as to your experience with other software) might

be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking
for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again
drifting in that well documented direction.

Ron Ferguson
_____________________________________________________

New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
____________________________________________________


CE Wood wrote:
I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor.  I am asking that,
when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing
various types of files, that those options be produced in
whatever format which has a checkbox.

The simplest would be a text file because then you could format
the file in your word processor.

When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you
assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is
allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF.

When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you
assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box,
that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those
formats.

This does not happen!  The indices are missing!!!

THAT is what the problem is.


CE

-----Original Message-----
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]
On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, & other
bugs in reports

Jim,

Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy
reporting (except for the blank page which I have never
experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those
asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as
part of the program are asking for far too much. The total size
of the package would be far too big for many, and why should
Legacy reinvent the wheel when it is there in Word, Open Office
and a number

of other programs.

If it is ever done then let us add onto the list a fully fledged
web page designer, after all, why should the web creation section
of users be not have an equivalent tool for their chosen method
of publication. Naturally, it should have the attributes of
Dreamweaver or Front Page in order to meet all the demands which
may be required. It shouldn't really be any bigger than a word
processor and the total package should come in at not a lot more

than 200MB.

Pity that this is too big for Africa and the rural areas of many
other countries (including the USA) where dial up is on the only
access, but those

of us with broadband should be fine. Or maybe we should have
several different versions with escalating prices in order to
meet all the available

customisations.

Please don't think that I am suggesting for one minute, Jim, that
this is your view, I feel sure that it isn't. In one form or an
other this argument has been going on for years, so please excuse
the rant :-)

Ron Ferguson

_____________________________________________________

New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
____________________________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Walton
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: 07 October 2009 20:42
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, & other
bugs in reports


A pdf file is an image, similar to a jpg file. If it is created
from a text file it has a text layer that can be indexed and
modified, etc. It's quite easy to move a text or rtf file into
pdf format, but a totally different matter to go the other way.

I think the problem is that Legacy is a genealogical tool, not a
reporting tool. The reporting section is very cumbersome and has
no real formatting capabilities beyond the bare minimum. It
might be better for them to partner

with another company/program for the reporting functions. So far
the main use I've seen in the report feature is to dump reports
to the printer for proofreading and database corrections. I could
never conceive of using it to

create a document for publication.

I did try to create one rtf report and got a single page that
told me I could now import into my word processor and create an
index because all the headings used heading tags. Very
convenient, but the rest of the report was blank. (grin)

Jim


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, CE Wood <wood...@msn.com> wrote:

The problem / BUG is that when the report is Previewed or in PDF,
The Index/Indices is shown/printed.  When it is Text or RTF (if
allowed) the Index/Indices are NOT!

If a report shows something in Preview, it needs to print it in
ALL permissible formats!


CE

From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Walton
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, & other
bugs in reports


It seems to be designed that way. If you go through each of the
reports you will see what printing options are available on the
right, under the image of the printer. Family  and descendant
will do text, html, and pdf. Pedigree will only do pdf. Not sure
why they aren't available in rtf because it is certainly capable
of doing it. My plan is to do all my writing in Word, and
importing a pdf of group sheets, etc. as images into the
document. I'm just disappointed that I can't create an rtf of
the source report so that I could then create a bibliography and
reference that in my text.

Jim

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:23 AM, CE Wood <wood...@msn.com> wrote:
I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant,
and Lineage Reports.  When I choose Text file or HTML (there is
no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices,
even though both Name and Location indices have been selected
and do appear in Preview and PDF.

Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only
the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include
all the chapters.

And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the
names from the first chapter.


CE




Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/
Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp



Reply via email to