Uh, I must be thick, too. If I have someone who died Jan 1, 1900 at age 80, wouldn’t it be more precise to use CAL 1820 than EST 1820? I would only use EST if I assumed a date such as a marriage date estimated from the birth date of their first child. ABT would fit, but infers that it is an imprecise date, when in fact, the year might have a high degree of confidence.
Don Hanson From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree....@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Calculated date is normally only used when a full month, day and year will be the result of the calculation. you asked Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of document) not also give a calculated date? If the age is only the year, then you cannot calculate the date Jan 1, 1900 date of Document for person age 25 = birth in 1875 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, singhals <singh...@erols.com> wrote: Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of document) not also give a calculated date? Perhaps I'm more sick than I think, but it does seem as if people are making mountains out of goose-bumps over this. Cheryl Kurt Kneeland wrote: > An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined > from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, > months and days. > > *From:*Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net] > *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > Hi Jay, > > Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, > and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen > it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested > in knowing how you understand it and what others are > expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a > guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to > change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate > between that terminology and my guess. > > I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) > and will most often put in an estimated date or a range > (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. > > Bob > > *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree....@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > Bob, > > You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date > that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you > will assumed to be a calculated date. > > However you use the program within your PC................. > and is best for you ......is great. > > But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, > please take into consideration that others will never know > you changed the expected data. > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen > <rgaus...@telus.net <mailto:rgaus...@telus.net>> wrote: > > If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. > (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In > my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not > come from any other source. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com > <mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com>] > Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > I have now confused myself: > > Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 > > Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 > > Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage > est/abt 1866 - > source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child > Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt > 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 > at time of possible first born child > > Any more suggestions please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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