Sorry, yes I did mean locations. > From: genea...@gmail.com > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Rules for Entering Place Names in England and Canada > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 14:10:00 +0800 > > Hi Olwyn, > > Always write your location left to right from smallest element you > choose to use through to country. > Then you can set the Legacy locations to sort right to left or leave as > sorted left to right. You can switch from one to the other in the Master > Location list once you've said you want to sort right to left by putting > in or taking out the tick in the Sort box. > > Some reports allow you to print locations right to left but mostly > they'll print as you enter them and they read more naturally from > smallest element to largest. > > I'm not sure how you'd enter an Address right to left or left to right > as an Address has fields for the different elements so I think you are > talking about locations. > > Cathy > > Olwyn Bourne wrote: > > > > Thank you to whoever started this conversation. I have learnt so much > > and it has mad e me think about how I want my locations to reflect my > > family history. I was raised in a place in NZ named Papatoetoe > > (general incorrectly pronounced papa towee). Once I started doing > > family research I found it was originally called Papatoitoi (toi > > (pronounced toy) is a native grass). I had been so busy making my > > locations match the NZ post office standards I lost sight of what this > > was all about. I will revisit and correct and based my addresses on > > their moment in history. I'm still considering if I will write my > > address left to right or right to left (country in first or last > > position). > > Everyone's responses has made me think but Barry your answer made it > > click. > > Thank you > > Olwyn > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 18:35:22 -0800 > > From: b_goodbee...@rogers.com > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Rules for Entering Place Names in England and > > Canada > > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > > > > I have been thinking about the Location issue and have come to realize > > that there is no perfect solution. Using the terms Place in Events, > > Location in Citations and having the ability to add an Address with > > Postal Code to an Event adds to the confusion. > > > > The fact that we are recording information from a different time > > period when life was a lot simpler adds to the problem. I keep coming > > back to the fact that a fundamental fact of recording information from > > a time long ago is to record it as it was then and not to modify the > > details to fit into our current mode of doing things. Who would of > > thought we would have had postal codes and GPS's? > > > > As it relates to Census records, specifically England and Wales, I > > suggest that the Citation Details page be changed to reflect the > > information available from the Census record and not cherry pick in > > away that does not flow. > > > > My first suggestion after having completed the Source page identifying > > The National Archives as the source I would enter all the details of > > the Census into the Citation Detail window in this order. > > > > First I would identify the Census with the National Archives reference > > of PRO RG12 Piece Number 1200 Folio 30 Page 50 (eg). This is the > > information you need to identify the specific Census record. > > > > Second I would list the Location details starting with Administrative > > County, then Civil Parish, Ecclesiastical Parish, then County > > Borough,Municipal Borough or Urban District, then Ward of Municipal > > Borough or Urban Borough, then Rural District, then Parliamentary > > Borough or Division and lastly Town or village or Hamlet, all as > > listed at the top of the Census sheet. If this information is not > > complete it can be viewed on the Description of Enumeration District > > (ED 22 eg) sheet or from the present day transcriptions. Some of this > > information may not be relevant in today's thinking but it is > > important to record the information as it was then. Also be wary of > > transcriptions with mistakes! > > > > Next I would enter the Road, Street etc,and No or Name of the House. > > > > Note: Currently the information entered into the Location Details box > > does not appear in the Master Location listing. > > > > Then the person's ID with maybe relationship to Head of Household and > > marital status. > > > > All information should be recorded as shown on the Census sheet > > without any changes to spelling. Create an AKA if you wish but often > > there has been no change to the name other than the enumerator wrote > > down what he or she thought they heard. > > > > I'm sure a suitable Citation Detail template could be developed to > > satisfy the recording of the Census information in this manner. There > > is a template now so it must be possible. > > > > Other information such as age, occupation, where born or health > > condition can be recorded elsewhere within the Legacy software with > > reference to the appropriate Source. > > > > If a Location is required to appear in the Master Location listing > > then an Event/Fact needs to be created (Residence/Place eg), using > > poetic license as necessary if you wish it to be recognizable in > > today's maps or atlases. A note could be added to the Event to record > > the original information. Don't forget also things change and what > > existed 100 years ago might not exist today! Also bear in mind that > > the software default of Place, County, State, Country is not universal > > and may not meet your needs. Sorting from right to left mitigates this > > problem somewhat. > > > > As to the sharing of Sources the process really is sharing the Source > > and the Citation Details with the only thing changing is the person's > > ID. The person's ID is not shared. Th ere is also an issue with a > > family sharing the same house with details spread over two pages each > > having two different NA references. Maybe I should stick with cut, > > paste and edit? > > > > This diatribe relates primarily to the 1851 to 1901 England and Wales > > Census but the underlying concept of recording any Source information > > should be that it should be recorded as is with no modifications. Any > > errors, spelling mistakes etc should be recorded in the Notes. > > > > A copy of this will be sent to Make a Suggestion for consideration. > > > > Barry Godbeer > > > > Brampton, Ontario > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > >
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