Hello Jenny Yes, they are direct ancestors
Norma -----Original Message----- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:13 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] ahnentafel numbers on ancestor report On 27/01/2015 15:21, Norma Heaton wrote: > Thank you both Kathy & Mike for your responses. > > The numbers I referred to in my query were _ahnentafel_//numbers & > generated by the report, not Ancestral File numbers, so my mistake in > calling them AFN#. I see I also erred in saying that the father’s > number was #176, that was wrong. He was #146. > > To answer your question, Mike, I created an ancestor report with my > uncle as the first person so he was # 1, his father #2 and mother #3. > The report did generate the correct ahnentafel numbers except for the > example I gave. I purposely did _not_ include RIN# in the report > since it bears no relation to relationships. > > My question is still: why did the ahnentafel # for 2 of the children > not appear in the listing of children under the father? Was it > because their numbers were higher that their father’s number? I’ve > copied & pasted from the pdf report the father’s report as well as the > 2 children whose ahnentafel numbers do _not _appear in the children’s > list under the entry for their father & also the 3^rd child whose > entry does include her ahnentafel #. Then, I’ve also included the > separate reports of the 2 children whose ahnentafel # do not appear in > the children’s list. > > My system is for all ancestors to have both forename & surname in > caps. Then siblings have only their surname in caps and spouses of > siblings (unless also related) have their names entered in the usual > manner. You can see that there is no ahnentafel # before either > Angnientjen Bogert or her brother Guilliam Bogert but the ahnentafel# > 73 appears before their sister Sarah Bogert > > *146. JOHANNES BOGERT*,417,637,638,639,640 son of *JAN CORNELISSE > BOGERT *and *ANGENIETJE* > > *STRYCKER, *was born about 1675 in Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey and > died on an unknown date. Another > > name for JOHANNES was JAN CORNELISE BONGAERT. > > JOHANNES married *MARIA BERTHOLF*417,619,620,621,637,641,642 on 25 Mar > 1699 in Dutch Reformed Church, > > Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey. > > Children from this marriage were: > > i. *ANGNIETJEN BOGERT*643,644,645,646,647 was born on 1 Sep 1700 in > Hackensack, > > Bergen, New Jersey, was baptized on 15 Sep 1700 in Hackensack, Bergen, > New Jersey, and > > died on an unknown date. ANGNIETJEN married *JAN > DURIE*,399,643,644,648,649 son > > of *JEAN PIERRE DURIE *and *JEANNE *[--?--], on 30 Aug 1718 in Dutch > Reformed > > Church, Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey. > > ii. *GUILLIAM BOGERT*650,651,652,653 was born before 28 Mar 1703 in > Hackensack, > > Bergen, New Jersey, was baptized on 28 Mar 1703 in Hackensack, Bergen, > New Jersey, and > > died on an unknown date. GUILLIAM married *MARITIE* > > *BANTA*,641,654,655,656,657,658 daughter of *JACOB HENDRICKSE BANTA > *and > > *JANNETJE CORNELIS VAN HOORN, *on 28 Mar 1725 in Schraalenburg > (Bergenfield), > > Bergen, New Jersey. > > 73 viii. *SARAH BOGERT*.365,366,367,370,371,372 SARAH married *DAVID > S.* > > *TERHUNE*,365,366,367,368,369 son of *STEVEN ALBERTSE TERHUNE *and > *LYDIA* > > *DEMAREST, *on 17 Oct 1735 in Hackensack Dutch Reformed Church, > Hackensack, Bergen, > > New Jersey. > > *171. ANGNIETJEN BOGERT*,643,644,645,646,647 daughter of *JOHANNES > BOGERT *and *MARIA* > > *BERTHOLF, *was born on 1 Sep 1700 in Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey, > was baptized on 15 Sep 1700 in > > Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey, and died on an unknown date. > > *176. GUILLIAM BOGERT*,650,651,652,653 son of *JOHANNES BOGERT *and > *MARIA* > > *BERTHOLF, *was born before 28 Mar 1703 in Hackensack, Bergen, New > Jersey, was baptized on 28 Mar 1703 > > in Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey, and died on an unknown date. > > Hope you can solve this mystery. As far as I know these were the only > problems in the report, but it was over 400 pages, so this may have > occurred elsewhere as well. > > Norma > > *From:*Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, > January 27, 2015 2:33 AM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] ahnentafel numbers on ancestor report > > Hi Norma, You are confusing numbers. AFN are Ancestral File Numbers - > nothing to do with ahnentafel numbers. You may or may not have entered > some AFN numbers and may or may not have opted to include them in your > report. They are something to do with FamilySearch - and have been > superseded by their new FamilySearch Tree ID numbers. If you chose to > include them, and you only have them entered for some people, that > would explain the variation. > > The ahnentafel numbers only apply to direct ancestors and are applied > automatically in an Ancestor Book Report, and a Pedigree Chart. They > are not in the Ancestor Chart which has a generation number. > > If in a child list two people have an Arabic number (1, 2, etc) then > both are your direct ancestors. All the children in a child list have > a lowercase Roman number (i, ii, etc) > > The ahnentafel number depends on the starting person. > > You may also find that the report is including the RIN for each person > - this is their number in your database that enables the database to > function. It has no significance for anybody but you and your > database. > > You may want to have another look at the report and the report options > and then clarify what you are asking. > > Cathy > > Norma Heaton wrote: > > > Hello > > Using Legacy version 7.5.0.286, I created an ancestor report of my > uncle as a gift for my cousin. I found something strange happening in > the ahnentafel/AFN numbers generated by the report. > > Of the 11 children of Johannes B., there is descent in the lines of > 3 of his children. > > Johannes B. (the father) is AHN# # 176. > > His daughter A.B. does not have an AHN# beside her name in the > children’s list, but she appears as #171 in her own record. > > His son G.B. does not have an AHN# beside his name in the children’s > list, but he appears as #176 in his own record. > > His daughter S.B. does appear in the children’s list with the #73. > > Did this occur because 2 of the children’s AFN# are greater than > their father’s? In other words, does it select and only enter an > AFN# if it is lower than that of the parent? If I double either #171 > or #176, the report indicates this is a duplicate of #146 which is > correct. The problem is that under AFN#146, it looks as if there is > descent of only one child, not 3 because # 171 & 176 are not entered > beside the names of the children. Is this a bug in the version of > Legacy I am using? Would the latest version of Legacy correct this? > > Also, is there any way the report could be generated so that each > person is listed as (as example) AFN# 73, dau of J.B. (AFN # 146) & > M.B.B (AFN# 147)? In other words, include the AFN# of the parents in > the recor d of each child? > > Thank you for any explanation or help Are these people (the ones missing numbers) direct ancestors of the the starting person in the Report? To quote the Help file "The numbers only apply to a person's direct ancestor so there are no Ahnentafel numbers for aunts, uncles, cousins, or even your siblings if they are listed in the report." -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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