Here is an example of how I use Basic Sources:
1. Census
a. I create an Census Event as follows:
census, 20 Jun 1900, Columbia, Wapello Co, IA, USA.¹
It reads in reports as: He appeared on the census on 20 Jun 1900 in
Columbia, Wapello Co, IA, USA.¹
2. Source
a. *Source List Name:* U.S. Federal Census - 1900 - Columbia Twp,
Wapella Co, IA - Chapman, Wells H. - 1866
NOTE: The year at the end is the birth year of individual
b. *Title:* U.S. Federal Census - 1900 - Columbia Twp, Wapella Co, IA
- Chapman, Wells H. - 1866
c. *Publication Facts:* Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place:
Columbia, Wapello, Iowa; Roll: 463; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 0129;
FHL microfilm: 1240463. Wells H. Chapman, Age 33, b. June 1866,
Occupation: Farmer; Lydia Chapman, Age 33, b. July 1866, OH; Ralph
Chapman, Age 12, b. March 1885, OH; Roy Chapman, Age 9, b. November 1890,
OH; Leora Chapman, Age 6, b. November 1893, OH.
*Output Source reads:*
*U.S. Federal Census - 1900 - Columbia Twp, Wapella Co, IA - Chapman,
Wells H. - 1866 *(Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Columbia,
Wapello, Iowa; Roll: 463; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 0129; FHL
microfilm: 1240463. Wells H. Chapman, Age 33, b. June 1866, Occupation:
Farmer; Lydia Chapman, Age 33, b. July 1866, OH; Ralph Chapman, Age 12,
b. March 1885, OH; Roy Chapman, Age 9, b. November 1890, OH; Leora
Chapman, Age 6, b. November 1893, OH.). Rec. Date: 20 Jun 1900.
To me, this is a very clean way to do Census - a simple Census event with
the details in the source for the Census Record. I like to capture most of
the Census information in the Source Publication Facts which is printed
just like you enter the data.
I would create the Census event for the head of the household and source
the event and then copy the event and source to each person in the
household.
If a person has an occupation, then I create an Occupation event for that
person, say "Farmer", and with same date and place as census and source
this with the Census source.
One could also create a Resident event with same date and place as the
Census.
You can use shared events for the family, but there could be issues when
exporting to a GEDCom and read by other software that doesn't support
shared events.
I am what is known as a splitter (as opposed to a Lumper) when it comes to
sourcing. I probably have 100s of individual census sources as shown above.
A Lumper might have 1 master source for all Census or Census year and then
place all the information in the details.
I also have 100s of Find-a-Grave sources, where a Lumper might only have 1
master Find-a-Grave source. My Find-a-Grave sources look very similar to
the new Find-a-Grave source at the bottom of the webpage on FAG.
e.g.:
*Find-a-Grave - Chapman, Wells H. - 1866* (Wells H. Chapman, b. 27 Jun
1866, d. 11 Feb 1947, Burial: Arkansas City - Parker Cemetery, Cowley Co,
KS, USA. Spouse: Lida M. Chisman Chapman (1866-1947), Children: Ralph F.
Chapman (1888-1968), LeRoy Ervin Chapman (1890-1983). Find A Grave
Memorial# 23245786.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23245786&ref=acom).
Rec. Date: 4 Dec 2007.
The best thing to do is try sourcing in a few different ways and look at
the output that is generated in a Descendant Book and see if it is what you
want.
I personally don't like the Source Writer output format, but you might be
fine with it. The big advantage of the Source Writer is the templates that
help you place the information in the correct locations on the template.
If you export your data to a GEDCom, the Source Writer sources are
converted to the Basic Source. There is not a converter to take a Basic
Source and convert to a Source Writer source.
Hope this helps some.
Chap
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Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com
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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Mary Leek <ml...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> I don't use the Legacy SourceWriter System, just the Basic Source System
> so my examples might be formatted differently if using the SourceWriter.
>
> There are many different methods of organizing and formatting your
> sources. If you plan on publishing, then there are formatting specifics you
> will want to follow. Otherwise, I feel a source is sufficient if there's
> enough source information there for someone else to use to track down my
> source. Many genealogists or family historians prefer to be more structured
> in their approach. Only you know how much time and effort you wish to
> invest.
>
> One frequently used source for burial location is the website, Find A
> Grave. With the new interface, still in beta, they are providing an already
> formatted citation to place in the source detail when you cite information
> from a Find A Grave memorial.
>
> Example:
> https://new.findagrave.com/memorial/107684300/ralph-johnson-fowler
>
> scroll to the bottom of the page and you will see the link for the
> citation, contents shown below.
>
> Find A Grave, database and images (https://new.findagrave.com : accessed
> 13 July 2017), memorial page for Ralph Johnson Fowler (4 Oct 1917–10 Oct
> 1994), Find A Grave Memorial no. 107684300, citing Mount Kenton Cemetery,
> Paducah, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA ; Maintained by Glenda & Ken
> Miller (contributor 47705248)
>
> This example above might give you an idea of how to format a citation for
> a website.
>
> I use Ancestry.com for a lot of my records research so my source is
> Ancestry.com for any records I cite which were found and viewed on that
> site and for the citation, I use the source citation information they
> always provide at the base of the record being viewed.
>
> For information I cited for an uncle's 1940 Fed Census family entry, my
> citation would be:
>
> Example:
> Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo,
> UT, USA, Year: 1940; Census Place: Weaver, Franklin, Arkansas; Roll:
> T627_136; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 24-31
>
> If someone wanted to view the census record I'm citing, the information in
> the citation is enough for them to find it by going to a local library and
> using microfilm or whatever other source they use for viewing Federal
> Census records.
>
> I have a book I own and frequently use, so the book is my source, with all
> the book information entered for the source, then I simply put the page
> number in the citation detail where the specific information I'm citing was
> found. If I want to be more detailed, I might also add in the citation
> detail 'pension number' or 'death date' or 'name of wife' or whatever
> information I've discovered and used from this source.
>
> Example source:
> Frances T. Ingmire, Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension
> Applications (printed in
> Signal Mountain. Tennessee, ©1985. pub, by Mountain Press, P.O. Box 400,
> 37377-0400;
> www.mountainpress.com). pg. xx
>
> In my Master Source List for the source mentioned above, my Master Source
> List name is Book: Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension
> Applications. I don't print this Master Source List Name but using Book: in
> the Master Source List allows all of my books to sort together in the list
> and makes it easier for me to quickly find a specific book source. Once I
> type in Book: the source list jumps to the books and I can quickly spot the
> book I want to cite.
>
> You are wise to think about this before you begin. I think you can get as
> complicated or as simple as you want to make things. Try a few different
> ways of setting up a source and see how it prints and how easy the format
> is for you to use. Just decide beforehand, then be consistent.
>
> If you want to try and find a book written about this subject, google
> citing genealogical sources or something similar and you should have a lot
> of suggestions to look through. The Mills book is quite detailed and I
> believe the Sourcewriter System in Legacy is closely based on her
> suggestions.
>
> Here's a link to a helpful list on Cyndi's List that might get you started:
> http://www.cyndislist.com/citing/citations-in-genealogy/
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Mary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Birke
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing
> sources and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes. I think what I'm
> looking for is a manual that gives examples for the commonly cited sources.
>
> For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master source
> and what is the detail? Is the Master source the record at the state
> level? Or county level? Or city/town/ township level?
>
> I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the
> standard practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to think
> it through or proceeding on a trial and error basis and then having to
> re-do a dozen entries after discovering I guessed wrong.
>
> Another example: Cites like FamilySearch are very helpful in offering
> full citations for some kinds of information. But, I've been having a very
> difficult time figuring out how to fit those citations into Source Writer
> (and, again, figuring out the appropriate level for separating a "master
> source" from "details".
>
> I'm thinking I can't be the only person to have struggled with these
> issues and someone has probably written something that answers all or most
> of my questions. I'm trying to identify that book or manual or website,
> etc.
>
> Don't get me wrong -- I really do appreciate how powerful a tool Source
> Writer might be. But it assumes a level of knowledge that a novice like
> myself just doesn't have.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources
>
> Michele has given you the link to a very popular webinar.
>
> You don't have to be a professional to need to cite your sources in a way
> that someone else can understand - that someone could be you in a few years
> time.
>
> There's nothing wrong with using Basic Sources.
>
> The most important thing to get your head around is Master Sources and
> Source Detail. Together they provide everything you or someone else needs
> to know to find the source (or to know why they can't find it because it's
> from a document/Family Bible/etc that you own or saw when you visited Uncle
> John.) A book is easy.
> The book is the Master source and the page is the Source Detail.
> But what about something you find on FamilySearch?
> The easiest way to source FamilySearch data is to create a Basic Source
> with the Master Source just saying FamilySearch in the Source List Name
> (which is your finding aid for refinding a Master Source) and FamilySearch
> in the Title.
> Then you can copy and paste the FamilySearch source to the Source Detail
> - sometimes it will fit in the Source Detail box but often it's too long,
> so put it in the Source Detail Comment and checkmark that to be included.
> The transcription is copy and pasted into the Source Detail text and not
> normally included in the citation.
> The same can be done with the source that Ancestry provides.
>
> With the SourceWriter simply remember that you don't have to put something
> in every available box. These are general templates that don't always apply.
>
> For online databases and online databases with original images, you can
> use the SourceWriter internet templates for these.
> The name of the particular database goes in the Master Source. In the
> source detail something like "entry for Joe Bloggs" and in the credit line
> - where Ancestry etc got the information.
> This can be more useful than putting all Ancestry sources into one Master
> Source. It's an advanced step but you can more easily find which people
> you've looked for and found in a particular database if you have a Master
> Source for each database.
>
> It's much harder adding sources later but no reason not to start. Use tags
> to indicate that you have sourced everything you've entered for that
> person. The source icon lights up with just one source so isn't useful for
> letting you know that you still have work to do.
>
> Have fun - I'm still cleaning up sources that I entered when I first
> started that fortunately still make some sense to me but wouldn't to
> anybody else.
>
> Cathy
> > Michele/Support <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>
> > Thursday, 13 July 2017 5:19 AM
> >
> > Have you watched Geoff’s free webinar, Sources and Citations Made
> > Simple, Standard, and Powerful? It definitely takes the mystery out
> > of it.
> >
> > https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=201
> >
> > Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
> >
> > Legacy Family Tree
> >
> > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>
> >
> > www.legacyfamilytree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/>
> >
> > Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG
> > is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®,
> > used under license by Board certificants who meet competency standards.
> >
> > *From:* LegacyUserGroup
> > [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> > Birke
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:50 PM
> > *To:* legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources
> >
> > I’ve been using Legacy for a number of years, but never bothered to
> > record sources. I’d like to start citing sources, but I’m finding
> > using Source Writer very cumbersome and time-consuming to use. I’m
> > not a professional, and don’t need professional-quality citations.
> > I’d just like to record sources of information in a consistent and
> > systematic way so that future generations of my family have some idea
> > where I found the recorded information. Is there a webinar, tutorial,
> > manual, etc. that can provide me with some basic instructions on
> > citing sources and/or using Source Writer? I think I need something
> > akin to “Source Writer for Dummies”. I’d appreciate any suggestions
> > you have.
> >
> > Dennis Birke <mailto:dpbi...@gmail.com> Thursday, 13 July 2017 4:50 AM
> >
> > I’ve been using Legacy for a number of years, but never bothered to
> > record sources. I’d like to start citing sources, but I’m finding
> > using Source Writer very cumbersome and time-consuming to use. I’m
> > not a professional, and don’t need professional-quality citations.
> > I’d just like to record sources of information in a consistent and
> > systematic way so that future generations of my family have some idea
> > where I found the recorded information. Is there a webinar, tutorial,
> > manual, etc. that can provide me with some basic instructions on
> > citing sources and/or using Source Writer? I think I need something
> > akin to “Source Writer for Dummies”. I’d appreciate any suggestions
> > you have.
> >
>
>
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