On 06.08.2015 00:53, wm4 wrote: > Well, you sure like to list a lot of projects.
No, I don't. I'd like it much more if the list was empty. > But what you don't say > is that many of these are either definitely dead (mplayer2 comes to > mind), One is not many. But OK, let's get rid of mplayer2 [1]. > or are ancient releases of software which fixed their API usage > later (like my own project, and probably most other reasonable active > projects). Now I'm curious what your own project is. I thought you were involved with mpv, but that still uses the deprecated FF_API_AUDIOCONVERT [2]. Projects like blender, gst-libav or mplayer are reasonably recent in Debian and active upstream. But still they use deprecated APIs. > Why do we have to suffer because Debian tries to compile ancient > releases against newer ffmpeg/libav releases? (How does that even make > sense?) This is just your prejudice that doesn't have much to do with reality. > And then there's the category of projects that are "alive", but barely > care about anything unless being severely prodded. I'm not sure why we > should suffer forever just to accommodate these projects. They had more > than enough time. It's actually the other projects that have to suffer, because FFmpeg/Libav breaks it's API. Time alone is not enough, there also needs to be good documentation about API replacements and that is currently insufficient. > I feel like I'm repeating myself and others, but I don't remember > whether you acknowledged these arguments. I'm seeing more dramatic words than good arguments in your mail. >> Better documentation would surely be helpful. > > Many of these are non-trivial. Project authors either update their > code, or the project dies. It's simple. If you don't want this, keep an > old ffmpeg/libav package around for them. But you distro peoples want a > single libavcodec package, no matter how much this fucking tortures > everyone. So instead of keeping a little bit of deprecated code, everyone should keep multiple copies of libavcodec? This is several orders of magnitude worse. Best regards, Andreas 1: https://bugs.debian.org/794817 2: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/blob/master/audio/filter/af_lavcac3enc.c#L29 _______________________________________________ libav-devel mailing list libav-devel@libav.org https://lists.libav.org/mailman/listinfo/libav-devel
